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schfc6 said:
Otamendi is far superior to Maquire. Fernandinho/Garcia are more than good enough to fill Kompany’s minutes.
Misty eyes aside, Kompany was a liability until the last month of the season. Stones needs to step up, be the leader Vinny was at the end of the season. Otamendi would start for every other side in the Prem. He was our best defender just 18 months ago.
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Wow - so many incorrect opinions on this post, its hard to know where to start !
Otta as much as I love him and he has been fantastic for us in the past,(remember 18 months is a long time in Football - at his age and also considering the miles he has) is not 'far superior' to McGuire. He also would not start for 'every other side in the Prem' !!
VK was never a 'liability'
Ferdi may cover well for the older Vinny, never ever the all conquering Vinny!
Garcia is miles away from even being spoken about in the same breath as VK at the moment!
However, I will agree with you that Stonesy needs to prove himself now, but I really don't see him as a natural leader at present...
 
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Laporte on the replacement for Kompany:
“It's possible Fernandinho can play there. He is a very good player I think he can play wherever he wants so yeah he can play centre back too.

I don't know if they need to sign someone else. Ask Pep what he wants.

I think the three (himself, Otamendi and Stones) we are putting ourselves forward to play every game but we don't decide the club decides for us.

“I'm here to be a regular starter. So yeah, hopefully it can be the same this year. I'm going to work for that."
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I'm with Eric on this one, stick with what we've got for now.
 
BufordUSABlue said:
Wow - so many incorrect opinions on this post, its hard to know where to start !
Otta as much as I love him and he has been fantastic for us in the past,(remember 18 months is a long time in Football - at his age and also considering the miles he has) is not 'far superior' to McGuire. He also would not start for 'every other side in the Prem' !!
VK was never a 'liability'
Ferdi may cover well for the older Vinny, never ever the all conquering Vinny!
Garcia is miles away from even being spoken about in the same breath as VK at the moment!
However, I will agree with you that Stonesy needs to prove himself now, but I really don't see him as a natural leader at present...
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Quot homines, tot sententiae* (as the Roman comic playwright Terence would have answered).

* ‘There are as many opinions as there are men.’ And women, of course!
 
BufordUSABlue said:
Wow - so many incorrect opinions on this post, its hard to know where to start !
Otta as much as I love him and he has been fantastic for us in the past,(remember 18 months is a long time in Football - at his age and also considering the miles he has) is not 'far superior' to McGuire. He also would not start for 'every other side in the Prem' !!
VK was never a 'liability'
Ferdi may cover well for the older Vinny, never ever the all conquering Vinny!
Garcia is miles away from even being spoken about in the same breath as VK at the moment!
However, I will agree with you that Stonesy needs to prove himself now, but I really don't see him as a natural leader at present...
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Name a team in the Prem Otamendi would not start for? He’s better than Matip who played near enough every game for Liverpool, he’d captain United & Arsenal. He’s better than Luiz. He’s on a par with anything Spurs have.

He’s better on the ball, better front foot defender, better anticipation & reading of the game than Maguire. If you want to watch Maguire clear limitations, watch us beat Leicester 5-1 in the centurions league winning season. The lad had no idea where Aguero is all game.

I love Kompany as much as the next man, but he often looked a liability on the ball early in the season and vast parts of the season before. He was however excellent for the run in, but many forget, Stones was exceptional in the early months.

Otamendi was very good when called upon. He just wasn’t given opportunity to regain his consistency. I’d have no worries about him once he was in the groove.

Kompany will be a big loss, no doubting that, but I personally don’t see Maquire getting close to filling that void and happy if we let him cause more havoc at the rags.
 
schfc6 said:
Name a team in the Prem Otamendi would not start for? He’s better than Matip who played near enough every game for Liverpool, he’d captain United & Arsenal. He’s better than Luiz. He’s on a par with anything Spurs have.

He’s better on the ball, better front foot defender, better anticipation & reading of the game than Maguire. If you want to watch Maguire clear limitations, watch us beat Leicester 5-1 in the centurions league winning season. The lad had no idea where Aguero is all game.

I love Kompany as much as the next man, but he often looked a liability on the ball early in the season and vast parts of the season before. He was however excellent for the run in, but many forget, Stones was exceptional in the early months.

Otamendi was very good when called upon. He just wasn’t given opportunity to regain his consistency. I’d have no worries about him once he was in the groove.

Kompany will be a big loss, no doubting that, but I personally don’t see Maquire getting close to filling that void and happy if we let him cause more havoc at the rags.
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schfc6 said:
Name a team in the Prem Otamendi would not start for? He’s better than Matip who played near enough every game for Liverpool, he’d captain United & Arsenal. He’s better than Luiz. He’s on a par with anything Spurs have.

He’s better on the ball, better front foot defender, better anticipation & reading of the game than Maguire. If you want to watch Maguire clear limitations, watch us beat Leicester 5-1 in the centurions league winning season. The lad had no idea where Aguero is all game.

I love Kompany as much as the next man, but he often looked a liability on the ball early in the season and vast parts of the season before. He was however excellent for the run in, but many forget, Stones was exceptional in the early months.

Otamendi was very good when called upon. He just wasn’t given opportunity to regain his consistency. I’d have no worries about him once he was in the groove.

Kompany will be a big loss, no doubting that, but I personally don’t see Maquire getting close to filling that void and happy if we let him cause more havoc at the rags.
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Massive fan of the Otta. Would grace any Prem team.

He's been an absolute colossus for us. Does have the very occasional brain-fart, but he's only human. Very rare for his mistakes to cost us points.
 
For such a big lad, he certainly shit himself at the thought of putting his big ugly napper in front of Kompany's thunderbolt.
 
It was telling that pep said we are possibly looking at a CB and only said that maguire was a Leicester player? Pep always dismisses the bullshit rumours straight away?
 
After everything that is written on here I am still not sure whether majority want him or not. Personally I think we can do without him if Ota stays, which is looking more likely by the day, with Academy players and Fern/Walker etc acting as a fourth centre half. Just my opinion. Sorry but no player except world class is worth 80m.
 
schfc6 said:
Name a team in the Prem Otamendi would not start for? He’s better than Matip who played near enough every game for Liverpool, he’d captain United & Arsenal. He’s better than Luiz. He’s on a par with anything Spurs have.

He’s better on the ball, better front foot defender, better anticipation & reading of the game than Maguire. If you want to watch Maguire clear limitations, watch us beat Leicester 5-1 in the centurions league winning season. The lad had no idea where Aguero is all game.

I love Kompany as much as the next man, but he often looked a liability on the ball early in the season and vast parts of the season before. He was however excellent for the run in, but many forget, Stones was exceptional in the early months.

Otamendi was very good when called upon. He just wasn’t given opportunity to regain his consistency. I’d have no worries about him once he was in the groove.

Kompany will be a big loss, no doubting that, but I personally don’t see Maquire getting close to filling that void and happy if we let him cause more havoc at the rags.
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First of all, my apologies, as there is no such thing as an 'incorrect opinion' as by definition that's what they are...… an opinion and if its different to yours, it doesn't make them any less valid ;-)

Listen, I love Otta and he's been immense for us. My opinion, is that his best days are behind him and I hope to Gawd I am wrong blue! We should agree to disagree on which teams he would catch, needless to say none of the top 6 for a start and that's the point. We shouldn't be looking at any player, current and prospective, if they are not, at very least top 3 in Premier standard.

IF (and its a huge IF) Eric, Stonesy and Otta stay fit, I think we are covered at CB, especially as Ferdi can play there in an emergency. But, should we (the back-to-back champions and Fourmidables!) be going into a new season somewhat on a hope and a prayer, when our leader and best CH for many years has departed...… to not replace him at all is madness IMO!

I'm certainly not convinced on McGuire, but he would give us massive presence in ours/opponent's boxes, especially at set pieces which are always a concern to me,. Nowhere in this world is he worth anywhere near the 80M that's being banded about, although I do believe that figure is coming from the media.

If the talked about bids are on a par and he chooses the Rags. then it tells you something about the man and his ambition's, or lack thereof!
 
The pursuit of Maguire is an odd one. Not a bad player - gets unfair criticism on this thread but the price quoted is ridiculous. I hear that x and y can step in but a lot will depend for me on Laporte. He’s our new bedrock at the back - if he plays Stones, Ota or Fernandinho can step in. Lose Laporte and it’ll look very different in a big game. Wouldn’t want to start a UCL semi Final with stand ins at CB but then again we could be virtually injury free all season and have players getting pissed off on the bench. It’s a tough call to spend circa £80m on a contingency- that you may or may not need.
 
losing Vincent has hit us two-fold On the pitch and more so as a Captain when we needed his vocal infiuence in the dressing room Maguire who did a good job for England with Stones has to be considered Of course anything over £60 Mill is OTT but we are working in a market that is awash with money inflated to the very extent that our neighbours are fighting to give the goalkeeper, who couldnt catch a cold last season. somewhere south of £350,OOO A WEEK Can we afford Maguire is not the question we need to answer, its Can we afford to do without him? if Laporte/Stones suffer injury which keeps them out for any length of time would the reliable but rash Otto fill you with confidence on your way up to Anfield? or would you be on edge if he so much as breathed on Mane?
 
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