Has the bubble burst?

Thing is with ticketing - it's normalised for lets say those under 30 or whatever age. So there's no need for pushback, it's what they've always known.

Same for the youtube culture. If they've not experienced the old days they wont want them back.

And the club know this.
 
The manager and player comments come and go like the wind. You can take those with a pinch of salt.

Only 3 weeks ago people were saying how great Pep and the team were, how Pep looks hungry and refreshed, how he was going to sign another extension at some point, how Pep2 and Kolo have brought a fresh feel to everything and how this young squad of players were responding well after a shaky start to the season due to no pre-season.

A few poorer results and displays later, the other end of the spectrum come out and say Pep looks frustrated, he’s lost his touch, he’s been found out and he’ll be leaving at the end of the season, that the recruitment’s been shit and the players should be miles better than they are.

But that’s natural, that even happened in the midst of the best times in 2017-23, just like it happened in our worst times in the mid80s and late90s. That’s just football fans for you.

Those discussions should be seen as distinct from the feeling fans have towards the top ranks of the club and the way they’ve been treating our core support for too long.

This is a more serious issue than the team and tactics.

The issue with fans and atmosphere is a symptom of the issue with the board+execs. They don’t let us know anything in advance of their decisions. They even purposely keep us in the dark, don’t allow fan groups to attend all meetings and even when they do they make them sign NDAs. Manchester City is our club, not theirs, they just happen to be employed by the club at this moment in time and at some point in the future they’ll be long gone and we’ll still be here.

No fans on the board, no fan consultations before things happen, 13 price rises in 16 years, some as high as 12%, people pulling out of Cup Schemes to make up for that, people feeling they have to give up their STs because they’re priced out or are sick of not enjoying the ‘matchday experience’ aimed at a faceless worldwide fanbase, increasing number of ticket tout partners added to the club’s list, only reducing £78 tickets for adults and £48 tickets for children after fan protests and would have made them even more expensive if we hadn’t protested, not replacing lapsed ST holders with new ST holders for a number of years, making it harder for ST holders to transfer tickets, increasing number of tourists surrounding us at games, more neutrals, non-City fans and away fans surrounding us at games while we see mates give up their STs because they’re sick of it, dead atmospheres becoming more of a correlating feature as all this grows…

They do a lot of things right, but they do a lot of things wrong and as I say, it’s our club. These people aren’t just providing an entertainment destination for us to attend a few times a month; this football club is part of the history and culture of this city and it’s citizens. We live and breathe this club every day and care about it more than any employee at the club could ever dream of doing.

There’s good reason to be pissed off with them. Decimating a club’s support is a fucking disgrace. And that’s what they’ve done. It’s happened at Chelsea too in the decades since their takeover, so it’s not just a City problem. Happened to United though the 90s and 00s, and will probably happen to Newcastle over the next few decades.

These fanbases are what made English football great. We should be held in the highest regard by our clubs’ boardrooms and we are treated like we’re a fucking nuisance they could do without.

At one time you could go anywhere in the country, or abroad on holiday, and get a conversation about football going and mention you were a City fans and you’d get instant respect. Now it’s almost embarrassing saying you’re a City fan and you often have to start a conversations by justifying that you are someone who was there from decades gone by when we were shit. And it’s the club who’ve done that to us.

Anyone happy that two dozen of their friends and family don’t come to City games anymore and are sat at home watching games, just because City have been successful in the last 15 years, are not cottoning onto the problem and are only contributing to the problem. Because eventually it will all end, whether that’s City’s individual success or the PL bubble finally bursts and we see a decline as a league… what will clubs be left with then?

Big stadiums and an alienated disenfranchised local support who don’t got to games anymore and are used watching games at home or used to doing other things with their time. The culture of fanbases, cities and the country altered. Football is as big a part of English/British culture as anything else. It should not be allowed to be taken away from us just because board members and execs at clubs want their bonuses for hitting revenue targets at the end of the year.

We should be holding every single decision that isn’t in the best interests of local and core supporters of this football club, in the highest of scrutiny, forever more! Every set of fans in this country should be coming together to combat what every boardroom is doing to their fanbases. The people of this country are too passive. In Germany, about 12 years ago, every fanbase in the league marched in their tens of thousands because a few individual clubs upped ticket prices. Here, we just shrug our shoulders and call each other ungrateful just because we’ve lifted a few pots and pans over the last decade and a half.

A fanbase should never let up on being hard-lined and demanding. Until the protests last year, it felt like we were far too passive with it. It probably got ten years too far down the line before we starting reacting to it sufficiently as a set of fans.

Football clubs and their fanbases are part of the history and culture of the cities and countries they come from. Clubs should never be allowed to have their fan cultures changed because that also alters the culture of our cities and country. History and culture are more important than short term business plans.

I’ve said this a lot recently, but core football fanbases should be sacrosanct to their clubs. Does anyone feel like we are to the City board/execs or that any clubs’ fans are in the PL?
 
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Did you want them to come round to your living room?

That'd be uncomfortable, just a wave and maybe not rush off for the photoshoot would be nice. How many of these dreary happy clappers want the fans to stay behind and clap the team for 10 minutes after the match but don't expect the same from the team.

I accept now it isn't what it was and that doesn't bode well for upcoming young fans, but as long as the players are OK eh? We're all in it together.
 
Bluemoon isn't very representative of City fans now.
Different age demographic
This. I read on here all the shit on the match day thread, we're shit, pep didn't know what he's doing, all our players are shite etc etc..

But listening to the fans in the ground cheering our boys on, singing the gaurdiola song, even when playing shit... Tells me we're a load of moaners on here protected by the Internet.
 
If you like the distance between fans and players then good for you, for me it's about being a part of something.

People who generate their own atmosphere and experience bubble make me so jealous.
If I’ve ever had an issue I go straight to the club rather than post on here. I’ve always had a good response from Danny.

I joined this forum to discuss our lows and HUGE highs with fellow blues but it’s become a depressing moan-athon nowadays and the football seems to be put to one side. Too many comments made without FULL knowledge of situations in general.

I can only say how I feel and I still revel in how the club delivered the treble; 5 trophies in one year & 4 in a row. Life’s too short to dwell on negatives constantly.
 
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect it when that opinion is polemic to mine.
What I really dislike is that many posters write as though they are speaking for the majority of fans, have an opinion fine
But they shouldn't talk for other people.

I know one thing if I felt like some on here I wouldn't be wasting my time spending money on travel and tickets,
I would find another hobby get some pleasure from.
One yesterday wanted the owner out of the club. Axel something.
People should learn from the decisions other clubs make that have dire consequences.
Well said
 
Football has always been about community, belonging, local pride, tradition.

The 'elite' end of the game has become little more than corporate entertainment, pricing out the plebs or pushing them to the cheap seats to make way for day trippers with fat wallets who will fill the new seats and hotels

It's the way of the world. The rich get richer, the poor can pick up crumbs of their leftovers.

We lost our club the day that Soriano and Co walked through the door. It's just taken most of us a long time to realise it... some still haven't realised (or simply don't want to).

I'm genuinely surprised that we've retained Manchester in the club name.
 
I think a lot of people around the club have become blase in the past few years.
If we don't win the league or FA Cup - meh, we won everything for several years there it doesn't matter.

I include fans, players and management in this
 
If I’ve ever had an issue I go straight to the club rather than post on here. I’ve always had a good response from Danny.

I joined this forum to discuss our lows and HUGE highs with fellow blues but it’s become a depressing moan-athon nowadays and the football seems to be put to one side. Too many comments made without FULL knowledge of situations in general.

I can only say how I feel and I still revel in how the club delivered the treble; 5 trophies in one year & 4 in a row. Life’s too short to dwell on negatives constantly.

I don't know why you are telling me this because I care about as much as the club does, but it's great that Danny takes care of your needs you must be overwhelmingly pleased.

You're sort of missing the point but that's OK you're more than likely one of the select few who put their own experience before the collective experience of what it is like to be a fan of a club and for that fan to want some sort of requited feeling back from the club you love.

This is like an abusive relationship and it's getting worse.
 
If there is anger I don't think it's just with football, I think it's also a wider society thing.

A lot of peoples finances are being pushed to breaking point and the increase in all the costs to follow football has meant it's increasingly difficult to attend. That and the club wanting to push tickets onto wealthier people has rubbed people up the wrong way.

Plus social media is rotting peoples brains and getting people extremely angry over things.

With football it used to just be a 3pm game, then reading stuff in the local newspaper (the pink) and that was it for a week. Now there's football and football news, 24/7 with the most stupid and extreme views being promoted.
 
Plus social media is rotting peoples brains and getting people extremely angry over things.

All this will be forgotten when City and other clubs take an army of photographers off to a children's hospital before Xmas and put it on the website.

It's a bit like Smiley and Smashy from Harry Enfields show.
 
I don't know why you are telling me this because I care about as much as the club does, but it's great that Danny takes care of your needs you must be overwhelmingly pleased.

You're sort of missing the point but that's OK you're more than likely one of the select few who put their own experience before the collective experience of what it is like to be a fan of a club and for that fan to want some sort of requited feeling back from the club you love.

This is like an abusive relationship and it's getting worse.
Oh for Gods sake. How fucking patronising are you!!!
You are the perfect fan obviously and any other fan with different views is uninformed and wrong.

Stay miserable if you must but stop insulting everyone who disagrees with you
 
If there is anger I don't think it's just with football, I think it's also a wider society thing.

A lot of peoples finances are being pushed to breaking point and the increase in all the costs to follow football has meant it's increasingly difficult to attend. That and the club wanting to push tickets onto wealthier people has rubbed people up the wrong way.

Plus social media is rotting peoples brains and getting people extremely angry over things.

With football it used to just be a 3pm game, then reading stuff in the local newspaper (the pink) and that was it for a week. Now there's football and football news, 24/7 with the most stupid and extreme views being promoted.
The anti - City agenda in the media is working
 
Nothing ever stays the same .
MCFC policy has changed for the worst. They want a nice return for their troubles. Have they gone about it the right way ? No imho ?
This is life ! As previous posters have mentioned it was far far worse back in the day under other ownership plus we came incredibly close to the abyss.
We have world class status now and everything that comes with that good and bad . Fanbase has changed for the worse aswell but that comes with the above .
Would I change this for when I stood on the kippax in the 80s and earlier ? I don’t think I would tbh ! Khaldoon has the club at heart and he has brought us this far for which we all should be truly thankful with endless memories other fans from other clubs can only dream about . A few “specifics” definitely need to change and quickly though !
Money and success eh ?!?!

CTID
 
Oh for Gods sake. How fucking patronising are you!!!
You are the perfect fan obviously and any other fan with different views is uninformed and wrong.

Stay miserable if you must but stop insulting everyone who disagrees with you

There isn't anything patronising at all about suggesting that some fans will just nod and clap happily with their lot and other fans look at the wider picture.

BTW disagreeing with you isn't insulting you, this isn't a liberal college it's a football forum.
 
There isn't anything patronising at all about suggesting that some fans will just nod and clap happily with their lot and other fans look at the wider picture.

BTW disagreeing with you isn't insulting you, this isn't a liberal college it's a football forum.
That’s not patronising???
BTW - Thanks for educating me - again
 

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