gordondaviesmoustache said:
Frank H said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
OK. Fair enough. Still not sure he's an out and out 'fan' as I would define it but this thread wasn't meant to be about him, more the wankathon which is going on in the press right now over us.
I'm happy to concede that Lee Dixon, at least as far as he is concerned, is a blue.
"As far as he is concerned"!
If someone is employed as a media "pundit", they would soon lose all credibility if they were never critical of the club they supported, but were always fawning over them.
Hansen, for all his faults, is often critical of Liverpool.
It is people such as Dixon who reassure me that not all football fans are as stupidly one-eyed as so many who post on football club fan sites.
Dixon strikes me as one of the most intelligent and unbiased media football pundits. He is a credit to the Manchester City fanbase.
Yes, as far as he is concerned. I'm sure Colin Schindler thinks of himself as a City fan too.
Wasn't going to comment any further on Dixon, but seeing as you resorted to thinly veiled personal insults I'll bite.
Would you, as a fan, ever go on National TV and say that City were 'ruining football'?
I wouldn't. Maybe you would. I can only call it based on my ideas of what a City 'fan' would do irrespective of professional obligations.
Does that mean that I could ever talk objectively about City ? Yes I could, but only to the extent I do on here.
Have any City fans you know ever said (seriously) we were ruining football?
And as for Hansen being the bastion of fairness when it comes to matters Liverpool, I think that says a great deal about your capacity to evaluate whether someone is 'intelligent and unbiased'.
My "insults" were not "thinly veiled" - I had no intention that they were to be veiled at all. But they weren't "personal", as I haven't the faintest idea who you are!
And I would never claim that Hansen was a "bastion of fairness"! All I did was to point out that it was quite possible for a fan to be honestly critical of the club of which he/she is a fan. I would hope that, for instance, many genuine Everton fans were highly critical of the club when it employed the notoriously racist Gordon Lee as a manager.
For the record, I am not a Man.City fan. Neither am I a rag, a bindipper, a gooner etc.etc. There is only one club of which I am a fan, AFC Wimbledon.
I am however a Man.City supporter, not exactly the same thing, and have been for years. I still remember the glorious year of 1968, and watching the great City team of that era - and was very happy that they, rather than ManU or anyone else, deservedly won the then first division.
I have an interest, partly academic, in the phenomenon of sports fans, and thus regularly drop in on a handful of football fan sites - of the clubs of which I am a supporter (not a fan). I sometimes find it a rather depressing experience, which is why I am thankful for such as Lee Dixon, who proves that football fans need not always be hate-filled fanatics.
As for Man.City "ruining" football - I would only agree in the sense that it is part of the general phenomenon of money ruining football, which started long long ago, and if that is what Lee Dixon meant, I would agree with him.
However, others cannot complain if Man.City are only doing what ManU, Liverpool etc. have done so for years. And how many people accused Jack Walker and Blackburn of "ruining football" when they in effect bought the Premiership?
And the plus side of the money situation is that in the present ManCity side we might have what is potentially the most exciting football team in this country for years, one which might bring a touch of Barcelona to our shores.
Perhaps it is this prospect which is fuelling the present media "wankfest".