Help for my boys with City myths from Liverpool fans

Didsbury Dave said:
My lads have just told me that they are getting grief from “scousers” at school with the usual bullshit: “no history” and “bought success”. They were shocked in the car when I gave them a quick history lesson and told them that city won the Fa cup 60 years before Liverpool and a European trophy before them too. They had never heard of The LIttlewoods family pumping money into the club to “buy” success back in the 60s and 70s.

I’ve seen posts/tweets on here before with these facts in more detail but can’t seem to find one. I seem to remember a Gary James article on that basis. Can anyone point me in the right direction? I want to give my lads a little potted guide to use in future to hit back when some silly arsed 11 year old kid tries to sneer at city. They won’t know what’s hit them.

thanks for any help.
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Like many others on here, I've posted a few things over the years about Liverpool's success being dependent upon the kick-start provided by the Moores/Littlewoods connections (more than happy to copy/send on to you should you so wish). The main thrust being a (fag packet calculation, I know) conclusion that Liverpool was given what amounted to a 25% minimum boost to annual turnover when the Moores money first began to flow into its Second Division club coffers in the early 60s, resulting in high profile transfers (St John, Yeats, Thompson etc) in the face of stiff competition from established First Division clubs.

Not wishing to divert your thread but another thing that might come up with your lads is the 'Oldest, Most Fiercest Rivalry In English Football' nonsense that is the 'Liverpool-United' confection. This is, we are regularly reminded, the closest thing to 'El Clasico' in Spain, two heavyweight giants with a deadly rivalry similar to that of Barca and Real, a struggle for supremacy fought down the ages of English football..

Well, as one who grew up watching City from the late 50s let me quote Private Fraser from 'Dad's Army' and say 'that's a load of rowlocks'

Won't bore you with too many details except to say it has been a confection created some time around the early 90s by the marketing johnnies at either club, with media support to sell tv packages and garner click-bait advertising revenue (and with Ferguson's 'knock that lot off their perch' comment adding salt to the whole mess of potage..)

However, do bear with me while I quote the words of former United and Liverpool player Phil Chisnall, who passed recently and who was, in 1964, the last player ever to be transferred between 'the two clubs with the deadliest ever rivalry ever'. His take on things from an interview in 2007 is quite interesting and better simplifies anything my recollections could offer in evidence:

"It was unusual to go from United to Liverpool back then but there wasn't a big deal made of it..Liverpool had only been in the First Division for two years before winning the league in 1964.. they were only establishing themselves in the top division and the rivalry between the clubs wasn't as strong then as it is now. Liverpool's real rivals were Everton, while United's were City.. after I signed I went back and played for Liverpool against United at Old Trafford and I can't remember getting any stick, it wasn't like that back then.. It's much more difficult for players to move between clubs now because football is like a religion now.. back when I played, you enjoyed it and if you lost to a good side you accepted defeat.. the game wasn't as intense those days and there wasn't the mentality to win at all costs.."

Of course, none of the above fits the narrative/advertising nonsense that, since the early 90s, has been flogged to the gullible public at home and abroad who cough up the ackers for Sky's product etc. Just as with your lads and their friends' insistence that City 'have no 'Istree'..
 
so much wrong in this world.

Like the adult version, there's little point in trying to engage with these 11 year old disciples. Asking them to explain the 'Istree' jibe for instance will only be met with a, 'five times..' or whatever it was reply. It just goes around in circles and ends with nothing decided.
Either ignore the little bastards or put them straight
 
I had this with a Liverpool supporting mate a few years ago

I actually think one of the easiest repostes is to ask "tell me about your history then and start at the very beginning with the year you were formed and why?"

That always stumps the fuckers

But always know the history of the forming of St Marks becoming Ardwick and then morphing into Manchester City
 
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dawlish dave said:
Back in 1956 my dad would take me to FA cup. 5th round told me Liverpool fans bad news. , Next round Everton at home Dad took me to that game, check for crowds no segregation all pay.
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dawlish dave said:
Back in 1956 my dad would take me to FA cup. 5th round told me Liverpool fans bad news. , Next round Everton at home Dad took me to that game, check for crowds no segregation all pay.
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Sorry should say dad would Not take me to Liverpool game.
 
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