Henry Nowak murder

The Northern Baptist said:
Two allegations were made when the police arrived.

1. Digwa said he’d been racially abused and assaulted.

2. Nowak, lay down and barely moving, said he’d been stabbed and couldn’t breathe.

It’s incomprehensible the police would cuff the man who said he’d been stabbed without checking first.
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yes, but there were allegations made prior to the police arriving which would've framed the incident, rightly or wrongly, in their minds..
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
I don’t agree at all and you seem to live in some parallel universe where only a police inquiry outcome allows people to be angry at what they’ve seen. It’s sterile and artificial.

BTW being angry at what happened doesn’t justify condone or encourage people to riot or create disorder. Farage et al using it for their ends is disgusting.

But anyone watching that footage can really only be angry at what they’ve seen.
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As I said earlier, you can be appalled, angered and saddened at seeing it without demanding instant justice and shouting at anyone that is willing to wait for the process to run its course.

The video is damning, but it isn’t the only piece of evidence.

Being emotional is fine. The law isn’t, however.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
He was stabbed in the heart ffs. He was dead within 3 minutes of the police turning up. There was nothing anyone could do, you could have Doogie Howser MD at the scene and he still would have died within 3 minutes.
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or 90 seconds if cuffed behind his back and shoved on his face - protect and serve
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
As I said earlier, you can be appalled, angered and saddened at seeing it without demanding instant justice and shouting at anyone that is willing to wait for the process to run its course.

The video is damning, but it isn’t the only piece of evidence.

Being emotional is fine. The law isn’t, however.
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Again a theoretical artificial point.

You tone policed someone using a swear word (not a rare occurrence on here) in criticism at someone commenting about something whilst admitting that they hadn’t bothered to watch the, as you described it, “damning” video footage.

There’s no point in continuing with the discussion though as I doubt we will change each other’s mind.
 
The Northern Baptist said:
Two allegations were made when the police arrived.

1. Digwa said he’d been racially abused and assaulted.

2. Nowak, lay down and barely moving, said he’d been stabbed and couldn’t breathe.

It’s incomprehensible the police would cuff the man who said he’d been stabbed without checking first.
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Dont forget there was only one 999 call containing lies, and about 5 witnesses all pedalling the same lie at the scene. Officer turns up expecting a racist attacker due to dispatcher saying this. Judge says it would have been very hard to see any stab woulds at the time and more importantly we're talking a length of time of 2 minutes. After the 2 minutes they realised what has actually happened and started applying CPR but it was too late before they even showed up unfortunately. They shouldn't have cuffed him but thats no reason to go all naitive on the police is it. This family are scumbags all of them need locking up for a very long time.
 
bert38 said:
in what circumstance, other than the offender and his family actually telling the truth would an ambulance have been sent initially?
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Yes I think we're in danger of forgetting who's actually at fault here, that said nobodies telling me those police officers are squeaky clean and covered themselves in glory here.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Is that the bit where they ignored the fact he couldn't breathe and said he'd been stabbed ? Or was it when they realised he was actually dying ?
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I actually despair at some of the comments on here so am going to call it a day. I just hope none of our loved ones are ever in need of desperate help from the police and suffer this level of incompetence or whatever it was. Good night Blues.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Again a theoretical artificial point.

You tone policed someone using a swear word (not a rare occurrence on here) in criticism at someone commenting about something whilst admitting that they hadn’t bothered to watch the, as you described it, “damning” video footage.

There’s no point in continuing with the discussion though as I doubt we will change each other’s mind.
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Your last point is the most pertinent.

No one will change anyone else’s mind.

On this thread or 99% of social media.
 
Ban-jani said:
It happened because he was white and was accused of racism.

Let’s not beat around the bush.
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I honestly don't think that's fair.

There's no argument that the Police could and should've done better. But I think it's been made to be about race and the only factual racial element to this debate should be the Kirpan, religious costume weapons.

When Police turned up, if the Digwa family had been a white family called smith and were alleging assault by Nowak who was lying there after "trying to run away", there's every possibility or even likelihood that he'd have been treated in the same way.

Their actions are worthy of criticism and debate, but I don't think it's fair to say it's about racism. The initial report, filled with lies, could've been about anything and we'd still have arrived at the same tragic outcome.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
Dont forget there was only one 999 call containing lies, and about 5 witnesses all pedalling the same lie at the scene. Officer turns up expecting a racist attacker due to dispatcher saying this. Judge says it would have been very hard to see any stab woulds at the time and more importantly we're talking a length of time of 2 minutes. After the 2 minutes they realised what has actually happened and started applying CPR but it was too late before they even showed up unfortunately. They shouldn't have cuffed him but thats no reason to go all naitive on the police is it. This family are scumbags all of them need locking up for a very long time.
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This is what’s annoying about this type of take. Yeah you are briefed and arrived at the scene. As the video clearly shows, the alleged “victim” is fine, lucid, but rubs his eye and says he was hit. The perpetrator is slumped on the floor, barely breathing, and saying they’ve been stabbed. Hand on heart, what would your instinct be?
 
BerkshireBlue said:
The tried CPR I wouldn't call that doing nowt would you?
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No they fucking didn’t, before any medical aid and calling an ambulance they dragged him, forced him upright and cuffed him. Only when pupils became non responsive did they think shit we might need to help him 3 fucking minutes after arriving on scene. You might think that’s response is adequate for a first responders I and 99.99% of population will think it’s fucking shit.
 
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