Henry Nowak murder

Don't think we necessarily need to see the footage, but the audio and a description of what's happening would put many minds at ease I think
 
At sentencing hearing his Defence Barrister claimed he ' was of good character' in that he had no previous convictions.
We are really setting the bar low. I would have thought his obsession with knives might suggest he was a wrong un. As for his mother another one who clearly gave no thought as to what an evil little shit se had brought into the world
 
bert38 said:
Another bandwagon for the right wing to jump onto.

No consideration for the victim, their family, due process, fair trials, the officers involved-just red meat for the Facebook experts who want to play judge and jury.

Petitions to release the footage? Pathetic shite again.
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To be honest it's a bandwagon that should be jumped on, innocent young man robbed of 60 years of his life, his family devastated 21 years is pretty shite, Police officers who handcuffed him as he was dying after being told he'd been stabbed and couldn't breath are at best totally incompetent.
 
i kne albert davy said:
To be honest it's a bandwagon that should be jumped on, innocent young man robbed of 60 years of his life, his family devastated 21 years is pretty shite, Police officers who handcuffed him as he was dying after being told he'd been stabbed and couldn't breath are at best totally incompetent.
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But as always we don’t know everything-

Didn’t the coroner state that the 3 minutes Henry Nowak was handcuffed made no difference to his chances of survival? His injuries were too severe.

It’s an awful tragedy for all involved-it cannot be viewed in a simplistic manner and that’s why it will be investigated.

People lie to police every day, it’s a stressful, potentially violent, chaotic, spontaneous situation that is v difficult to deal with-and sadly mistakes can happen. And whilst people may want more information I don’t see how it’s appropriate.
 
bert38 said:
But as always we don’t know everything-

Didn’t the coroner state that the 3 minutes Henry Nowak was handcuffed made no difference to his chances of survival? His injuries were too severe.

It’s an awful tragedy for all involved-it cannot be viewed in a simplistic manner and that’s why it will be investigated.

People lie to police every day, it’s a stressful, potentially violent, chaotic, spontaneous situation that is v difficult to deal with-and sadly mistakes can happen. And whilst people may want more information I don’t see how it’s appropriate.
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I'm not clamoring for the body cam footage to be released, what upsets me is why an innocent boys last minutes in this life were being dragged across the floor handcuffed and read his rights, what a disgrace while the murderer and his lying family didn't receive any such indignity, can you not see why his family are rightly so upset.
 
i kne albert davy said:
I'm not clamoring for the body cam footage to be released, what upsets me is why an innocent boys last minutes in this life were being dragged across the floor handcuffed and read his rights, what a disgrace while the murderer and his lying family didn't receive any such indignity, can you not see why his family are rightly so upset.
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Of course I can see why his family will be upset. I’d be completely devastated and want answers. It clearly was a monumental fuck up-but there are processes-I am defensive because we can’t have things like this decided by ‘public opinion’-it’s a slippery slope.

The judge said it was a minute in handcuffs before officers began trying to give medical assistance-it was dark, it would not have been obvious. It’s awful. And I would not want to be in those officers shoes.
 
Metal Biker said:
Vickrum Digwa used his religion to carry a kirpan, except he carried two on the night in question, one larger than regulatory length.

At his home, police found 20 other weapons. He's scum and a disgrace to his community. That being said, 'ceremonial blades', in a period of increasing knife crime, are a joke and an archaic requirement of faith. Ban them, as they do other knives, for if you need a knife to represent your faith, you don't have any.
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According to the BBC
The Sikh Federation said the blade used by Digwa was not a religious knife, known as a Kirpan.

It has condemned the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) for not making this clear during the trial, telling the BBC the community has been "demonised".
 
bert38 said:
But as always we don’t know everything-

Didn’t the coroner state that the 3 minutes Henry Nowak was handcuffed made no difference to his chances of survival? His injuries were too severe.

It’s an awful tragedy for all involved-it cannot be viewed in a simplistic manner and that’s why it will be investigated.

People lie to police every day, it’s a stressful, potentially violent, chaotic, spontaneous situation that is v difficult to deal with-and sadly mistakes can happen. And whilst people may want more information I don’t see how it’s appropriate.
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I think the pathologist during the trial said that the injuries weren't survivable but whether they could have saved him is not really the point. It's more the way his last moments were undignified and humiliating because the police officers chose to handcuff a dying teenager on the basis of one person claiming he'd said something racist, without any evidence to corroborate that claim. At a minimum the officers involved need to be made to explain why they chose to believe the murderer over the victim and the full bodycam footage really needs to be released so we can see if whatever reasons they give appear to be reasonable.
 
Dionysus312 said:
I think the pathologist during the trial said that the injuries weren't survivable but whether they could have saved him is not really the point. It's more the way his last moments were undignified and humiliating because the police officers chose to handcuff a dying teenager on the basis of one person claiming he'd said something racist, without any evidence to corroborate that claim. At a minimum the officers involved need to be made to explain why they chose to believe the murderer over the victim and the full bodycam footage really needs to be released so we can see if whatever reasons they give appear to be reasonable.
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So the court of public opinion? Can’t you honestly see how that plays out?

You think everybody has the right to deem what is reasonable? You’d have no police left if everything (because why stop here) is reviewed by experts on social media. It’s an incredibly slippery slope.

Can you understand that the officers involved deserve a fair investigation too?

Those questions and more will be asked during the IOPC investigation. That’s how the process works.

Furthermore ‘so we can see its reasonable’
Ok-that implies the public have full knowledge of the incident, plus full knowledge of the law, and grounds to make an arrest and necessity to arrest, plus handcuffing policy plus levels of police medical training plus a whole myriad of things-and then decide whether they agree? Or just make an ill informed judgement-and how do the public decide if it’s right? Do we have a vote? And what happens to the officers if the people decide they were in the wrong?
 
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bert38 said:
So the court of public opinion? Can’t you honestly see how that plays out?

You think everybody has the right to deem what is reasonable? You’d have no police left if everything (because why stop here) is reviewed by experts on social media. It’s an incredibly slippery slope.

Can you understand that the officers involved deserve a fair investigation too?

Those questions and more will be asked during the IOPC investigation. That’s how the process works.

Furthermore ‘so we can see its reasonable’
Ok-that implies the public have full knowledge of the incident, plus full knowledge of the law, and grounds to make an arrest and necessity to arrest, plus handcuffing policy plus levels of police medical training plus a whole myriad of things-and then decide whether they agree? Or just make an ill informed judgement-and how do the public decide if it’s right? Do we have a vote? And what happens to the officers if the people decide they were in the wrong?
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As a public I think yes, we do have the right to see how and why they made the decisions that they did. I'm all for the maximum amount of transparency. Obviously there are idiots out there but I think the vast majority of the public are generally inclined to give the police the benefit of the doubt. However this case appears to be completely egregious, hence the outrage that has built around it.
 
Dionysus312 said:
As a public I think yes, we do have the right to see how and why they made the decisions that they did. I'm all for the maximum amount of transparency. Obviously there are idiots out there but I think the vast majority of the public are generally inclined to give the police the benefit of the doubt. However this case appears to be completely egregious, hence the outrage that has built around it.
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But I’d argue we have processes-in this case the IOPC and PSD plus the court system-the public would be too emotional and as I have stated making decisions without the knowledge to do so-don’t you have concern for how that would affect the officers involved? It will already be the worst moments of their lives and stay with them forever.

And I am certain if this was to be the norm nobody would police the frontline-it’s already a completely thankless task-most in the job avoid it.
 
bert38 said:
But I’d argue we have processes-in this case the IOPC and PSD plus the court system-the public would be too emotional and as I have stated making decisions without the knowledge to do so-don’t you have concern for how that would affect the officers involved? It will already be the worst moments of their lives and stay with them forever.

And I am certain if this was to be the norm nobody would police the frontline-it’s already a completely thankless task-most in the job avoid it.
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I've just seen the footage. I'm sorry but it's indefensible.
 
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