Henry Nowak murder

bert38 said:
This is taking the thread away from its purpose-but being completely anti to everything the far right in this country are trying to achieve does not make me left wing-in fact it is straight out of the far right playbook to accuse anyone who calls them out as being a lefty and a communist.

And yes I do think the sentence is too lenient (not v left wing mind) and I do think it may be time to review to the laws around ceremonial and religious dress-but this can be countered by the Sikh community who will be equally appalled by this crime. As always the solutions are complex.

But thanks for your concern. Who are the “Far Right “ -please explain.
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Ban-jani said:
We’re a finished country, that’s why. Half the people actively want it to go down the pan and the other half have given up doing anything about it.

Considering the decline in my short life, I dread to think what it will be like when my kids are adults.
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I’m glad I’m 67 and have seen some of the best times in this Country in terms of Culture, Music, even Footy with City unbelievably being literally the best team on the Planet for a few years under the Magnificent Pep but it’s all over now I fear. England is no more.
 
bert38 said:
So the court of public opinion? Can’t you honestly see how that plays out?

You think everybody has the right to deem what is reasonable? You’d have no police left if everything (because why stop here) is reviewed by experts on social media. It’s an incredibly slippery slope.

Can you understand that the officers involved deserve a fair investigation too?

Those questions and more will be asked during the IOPC investigation. That’s how the process works.

Furthermore ‘so we can see its reasonable’
Ok-that implies the public have full knowledge of the incident, plus full knowledge of the law, and grounds to make an arrest and necessity to arrest, plus handcuffing policy plus levels of police medical training plus a whole myriad of things-and then decide whether they agree? Or just make an ill informed judgement-and how do the public decide if it’s right? Do we have a vote? And what happens to the officers if the people decide they were in the wrong?
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It’s a known fact that Henry, an 18 year old now dead by the way, told them multiple times he couldn’t breath as he’d been stabbed. The officers took a false accusation of racism as more serious and will now have to face the consequences for it and they’ll deserve everything they get. I’ve seen the body cam footage and I’d get banned for saying what I really think.

In regards to “the right wing” talking about this, well what the fuck do you expect? Taking accusations of racism as gospel and as the most important and serious thing in any situation is what’s landed us here. It’s that mindset that’s potentially (I say potentially as we don’t know if he’d have survived with immediate medical support) cost Henry’s life, ruined the lives of his family and friends and will push many more people to think differently to you.

Rather than blaming the right wing for talking about this, how about looking inwardly at the way you think and how some of that thinking has caused this incident?
 
Ribble73 said:
I’m glad I’m 67 and have seen some of the best times in this Country in terms of Culture, Music, even Footy with City unbelievably being literally the best team on the Planet for a few years under the Magnificent Pep but it’s all over now I fear. England is no more.
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Well I’m in my mid 30s, have a very young son and daughter and I’m genuinely very concerned at the state of things. I don’t even think it’s saveable either.
 
Ban-jani said:
It’s a known fact that Henry, an 18 year old now dead by the way, told them multiple times he couldn’t breath as he’d been stabbed. The officers took a false accusation of racism as more serious and will now have to face the consequences for it and they’ll deserve everything they get. I’ve seen the body cam footage and I’d get banned for saying what I really think.

In regards to “the right wing” talking about this, well what the fuck do you expect? Taking accusations of racism as gospel and as the most important and serious thing in any situation is what’s landed us here. It’s that mindset that’s potentially (I say potentially as we don’t know if he’d have survived with immediate medical support) cost Henry’s life, ruined the lives of his family and friends and will push many more people to think differently to you.

Rather than blaming the right wing for talking about this, how about looking inwardly at the way you think and how some of that thinking has caused this incident?
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Public inquiry led by social media will never do any good in any situation.

Due process needs to be carried out and will be in time.

Social media demands immediate justice and our justice system can’t do that as cases need to be built, appeals heard and independent reviews conducted.

Social media rhetoric needs cooling. Everything becomes a shouting/slanging match when certain trigger words/phrases are used.

This thread is a case in point. If the police officers have done something wrong, it will be picked up in the review. People howling online won’t get anyone anywhere.
 
Disgraceful attitude by the police officer, the young innocent lad is lay there, bleeding to death, telling them he's been stabbed and cant breath, his response " don't think so mate " then handcuff him, the officer needs investigating, that poor lad may of stood a chance of surviving, but we'll never no because officers neglected him and believed a murdering horrible ****.
 
For me this is a terrible sentence, 21 yrs for killing that lad is pathetic, should of been 35 - 40 years, the callousness of phoning the Police and claiming racism, when nothing of the sort occurred, the lies upon lies from the perpetrators family, haven’t heard owt but I hope his mother and brother serve time too.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
I can’t get my head round it either. There’s certainly something very, errr, off about it.

Fucking disgusting.
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Nothing off about it at all, the race card was used straight away by the murderer, so straight away he was sided with, I’d like to think if someone is on the floor and is of no danger as the body cam shows they’d have looked for stab wounds. That copper needs to be retrained at minimum.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Nothing off about it at all, the race card was used straight away by the murderer, so straight away he was sided with, I’d like to think if someone is on the floor and is of no danger as the body cam shows they’d have looked for stab wounds. That copper needs to be retrained at minimum.
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I’d say he needs sacking at minimum.

Unfortunately for him the internet has done its thing and his name and address has been banded about.
 
I’ve just listened to Henry’s dad’s statement outside of the court. I don’t know how he got through that. You can hear the anger and contempt in his voice for the difference in how his son and his sons murderer were treated by the police.
 
balotellishaircut said:
For me this is a terrible sentence, 21 yrs for killing that lad is pathetic, should of been 35 - 40 years, the callousness of phoning the Police and claiming racism, when nothing of the sort occurred, the lies upon lies from the perpetrators family, haven’t heard owt but I hope his mother and brother serve time too.
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IIRC the average person on a 20 year life sentence now serves 9 years more than their minimum. So the 21 year minimum will probably be 30 in reality.
 
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LangleyBlue1970 said:
I’ve just listened to Henry’s dad’s statement outside of the court. I don’t know how he got through that. You can hear the anger and contempt in his voice for the difference in how his son and his sons murderer were treated by the police.
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He has a dignity that I’m damn sure I couldn’t muster.
 
bert38 said:
Of course I can see why his family will be upset. I’d be completely devastated and want answers. It clearly was a monumental fuck up-but there are processes-I am defensive because we can’t have things like this decided by ‘public opinion’-it’s a slippery slope.

The judge said it was a minute in handcuffs before officers began trying to give medical assistance-it was dark, it would not have been obvious. It’s awful. And I would not want to be in those officers shoes.
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I read thru all the posts before deciding to view the BBC released footage. Personally, I think it's positive to release the footage. What I cannot
understand from your post above is that you seem to be implying that people need to fully understand the incident from all aspects and in particular the officers involved and that's best by waiting for the IOPC investigation to be completed. However, you yourself are then highlighting points in a way seemingly to only to support the officers? You state "it was dark" & "it would not have been obvious" [im presuming the multiple stabbings], to the officers. Others could use your own words and simply say that "it would also not have been obvious" [to the officers attending], that the person on the ground was either A, the perpetrator or B, had been in anyway Racially motivated....However the person on the ground was immediately arrested and handcuffed......?
 
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