Henry Nowak murder

I believe stab injuries are very hard to locate, especially when in dark clothing and poor lighting, and as medical reports have stated, Henry's injuries were not survivable.

I make this point because there are people frothing at the mouth saying that the police officers should be jailed-and the Judge in his summing up alluded to this and the fact that the officers called for an ambulance and commenced CPR within minutes.

What is left is misconduct-potentially gross misconduct, which can result in being sacked.-the areas being duty of care and professional responsibility-which would cover the arrival at the scene up until the time of detention and include the ignorance and dismissal of Henry's injuries and the officer's comment.

It is very probable that the officers were 'served' with misconduct papers early in December because any death in custody results in an immediate IOPC referral and investigation.
 
bert38 said:
I believe stab injuries are very hard to locate, especially when in dark clothing and poor lighting, and as medical reports have stated, Henry's injuries were not survivable.

I make this point because there are people frothing at the mouth saying that the police officers should be jailed-and the Judge in his summing up alluded to this and the fact that the officers called for an ambulance and commenced CPR within minutes.

What is left is misconduct-potentially gross misconduct, which can result in being sacked.-the areas being duty of care and professional responsibility-which would cover the arrival at the scene up until the time of detention and include the ignorance and dismissal of Henry's injuries and the officer's comment.

It is very probable that the officers were 'served' with misconduct papers early in December because any death in custody results in an immediate IOPC referral and investigation.
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They’re particularly hard to locate when you don’t try and locate them, and then conclude that no stabbings have taken place within the space of 5 seconds.

Funny how he didn’t say to the murderer ‘nah I don’t think you have mate’ when he said he had a swollen eye, because I certainly couldn’t see a swollen eye.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
They’re particularly hard to locate when you don’t try and locate them, and then conclude that no stabbings have taken place within the space of 5 seconds.

Funny how he didn’t say to the murderer ‘nah I don’t think you have mate’ when he said he had a swollen eye, because I certainly couldn’t see a swollen eye.
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I was referring to the medical reports and Judges summary which also add that his injuries were not survivable.

My post also highlighted what areas any misconduct process would likely focus on.
 
We've got Guardiola said:
I'm not one for pitchforks or taking sides. I just think we're quite clearly at a fork where we don't seem to treat people equally and worryingly it's because of the nonsense and unrest precipitated by the extremes of the right and left.

The evidence of this is obvious because why did the murderer play the race card in the first place? He did so because he knew this would lend him favour with the Police... and it did. The Police bought that because of bias and then acted to perform a wrongful arrest of a dying person despite no knowledge of the facts.

It's just really sad.
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Yep. I agree. If the two guys were both white would the guy lying on the floor have been handcuffed on the word of the guy standing up?
 
M18CTID said:
Who knows what his motive was? One thing I think we can all agree on is that he probably played the race card in a desperate attempt to get away with carrying out such a horrific murder. Murdering cunts usually come up with all manner of pathetic excuses as to why they did it and this is no exception
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Sikhs, in my experience, are a really great bunch of people in Britain. They commit very little crimes and seem to self police their own community. The **** who did it’s ethnic/religious background has absolutely nothing to do with it, apart from the fact he seemed to be obsessed by traditional Sikh knives, but that’s no different than anyone being obsessed with knives and it was his decision, as an individual, to stab someone.

The problem, for me, is that the police officer blatantly took an accusation of racism as being more important than someone claiming to be stabbed. The latter should have been the very first thing they checked, the former isn’t something immediately life threatening. In my honest opinion, and some people might not like this, it’s a symptom of a mindset that is prevalent across our society today. In the attempts to minimise racism, certain individuals have gone too far the other way and a young lad is now a statistic as a result of not being believed because of his background. I understand Alan H saying wait for the inquiry and he’s right of course, but I’ve seen the body cam footage and it’s obvious what’s happened to me.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
I'm angry at the murderer as his dealings with the police inhibited the victim getting help. I'm also angry that the police's reaction as it is presented on the video.
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Me too. I hope the **** spends the prime of his life feeling fucking awful that his micropenis and idiotic actions have ruined his life.

I also hope the coppers that denied the injuries of the victim feel guilty whether they were able to save him or not. The fact they just kept repeating that they didn’t think he had been stabbed rather than taking the time to check is abhorrent and I hope they don’t get to keep their job.

I shall be watching with interest what the IOPC decide when given all the facts - which I admit I’m not aware of. But the video seems damning.

What also annoys me is the fact that rather than people seeing this case as some **** killing someone else and going to prison for it, a great many from a certain political viewpoint are trying it to prove their political points.
 
SWP's back said:
Me too. I hope the **** spends the prime of his life feeling fucking awful that his micropenis and idiotic actions have ruined his life.

I also hope the coppers that denied the injuries of the victim feel guilty whether they were able to save him or not. The fact they just kept repeating that they didn’t think he had been stabbed rather than taking the time to check is abhorrent and I hope they don’t get to keep their job.

I shall be watching with interest what the IOPC decide when given all the facts - which I admit I’m not aware of. But the video seems damning.

What also annoys me is the fact that rather than people seeing this case as some **** killing someone else and going to prison for it, a great many from a certain political viewpoint are trying it to prove their political points.
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He should certainly lose his job. If, as the poster said above, stab wounds are hard to locate, well then get on your knees and remove whatever clothing is making it hard to locate the wounds the victim is repeatedly saying he’s suffered. Not just have a half-hearted glance and then come to the conclusion. As you say, it doesn’t matter if the injuries were survivable or not, what is important is to check thoroughly and listen to what the person is saying.
 
Ban-jani said:
Sikhs, in my experience, are a really great bunch of people in Britain. They commit very little crimes and seem to self police their own community. The **** who did it’s ethnic/religious background has absolutely nothing to do with it, apart from the fact he seemed to be obsessed by traditional Sikh knives, but that’s no different than anyone being obsessed with knives and it was his decision, as an individual, to stab someone.

The problem, for me, is that the police officer blatantly took an accusation of racism as being more important than someone claiming to be stabbed. The latter should have been the very first thing they checked, the former isn’t something immediately life threatening. In my honest opinion, and some people might not like this, it’s a symptom of a mindset that is prevalent across our society today. In the attempts to minimise racism, certain individuals have gone too far the other way and a young lad is now a statistic as a result of not being believed because of his background. I understand Alan H saying wait for the inquiry and he’s right of course, but I’ve seen the body cam footage and it’s obvious what’s happened to me.
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If you’re right then I’m sure the inquiry will draw that same conclusion. Either way, the whole thing isn’t a good look for the police who were at the scene.
 
SWP's back said:
Because a religion, or a lack of one, does not make someone good or bad.

This guy is a ****. He’s been jailed. It’s no reflection on his religion, race nor ethnicity. It’s a reflection on his character and him as a person.

If more people understood this then the political landscape would a great deal less full of cunts.
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Has anyone on here blamed people who follow the sikh religion or the Asian race i’ve skimmed through and you’re the first to mention it, awful lot have blamed the murderer and his lying family which is different. What people want to know is why this innocent young lad was dragged across the floor handcuffed and the last thing he heard in life was that he was under arrest and read his rights, if that’s because he’s white and so shouldn’t be believed then we truly are fucked.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Has anyone on here blamed people who follow the sikh religion or the Asian race i’ve skimmed through and you’re the first to mention it, awful lot have blamed the murderer and his lying family which is different. What people want to know is why this innocent young lad was dragged across the floor handcuffed and the last thing he heard in life was that he was under arrest and read his rights, if that’s because he’s white and so shouldn’t be believed then we truly are fucked.
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The IOPC will need to get to the bottom of this.
 
M18CTID said:
If you’re right then I’m sure the inquiry will draw that same conclusion. Either way, the whole thing isn’t a good look for the police who were at the scene.
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I've read a news report that x1 of the total of x4 officers who attended the scene resigned in January and so didn't
complete a full report/statement for the IOPC investigation?
 
...I should let it lie

Not one police officer with any time in has arrested someone who turns out not to be the offender:

I once chased after someone; as he scaled a wall, I jumped on his back and broke his collar bone as we both fell to the ground-he was screaming. I handcuffed him..Turns out he was a witness.

No medical intervention would have saved Henry-not my words, the words of medical experts.

And Police have v limited training in life saving first aid, and refreshers once a year. They wear many hats but not all with expert knowledge.

People want their pound of flesh-but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've formed an opinion that he was the offender based on the information passed by dispatch and from witnesses (who were lying to protect the murderer!). You cannot view the officer's actions without placing yourself in that position with that knowledge.

Those decisions, that 'flippant' remark will be the basis of the IOPC/PSD investigation.
 
bert38 said:
...I should let it lie

Not one police officer with any time in has arrested someone who turns out not to be the offender:

I once chased after someone; as he scaled a wall, I jumped on his back and broke his collar bone as we both fell to the ground-he was screaming. I handcuffed him..Turns out he was a witness.

No medical intervention would have saved Henry-not my words, the words of medical experts.

And Police have v limited training in life saving first aid, and refreshers once a year. They wear many hats but not all with expert knowledge.

People want their pound of flesh-but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've formed an opinion that he was the offender based on the information passed by dispatch and from witnesses (who were lying to protect the murderer!). You cannot view the officer's actions without placing yourself in that position with that knowledge.

Those decisions, that 'flippant' remark will be the basis of the IOPC/PSD investigation.
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Have valued your contribution as you clearly have expertise which is relevant
 
bert38 said:
...I should let it lie

Not one police officer with any time in has arrested someone who turns out not to be the offender:

I once chased after someone; as he scaled a wall, I jumped on his back and broke his collar bone as we both fell to the ground-he was screaming. I handcuffed him..Turns out he was a witness.

No medical intervention would have saved Henry-not my words, the words of medical experts.

And Police have v limited training in life saving first aid, and refreshers once a year. They wear many hats but not all with expert knowledge.

People want their pound of flesh-but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've formed an opinion that he was the offender based on the information passed by dispatch and from witnesses (who were lying to protect the murderer!). You cannot view the officer's actions without placing yourself in that position with that knowledge.

Those decisions, that 'flippant' remark will be the basis of the IOPC/PSD investigation.
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You seem to be defending them too much. The gripe with most is that the copper didn’t check if the guy had been stabbed. He glanced and said he hadn’t. It doesn’t matter if the injuries were end of life ones, what does matter is that he wasn’t listened to and the copper made his own opinion no stabbings had taken place.

The more I think about that, the more shocking it is that someone could be so blasé about someone telling them they’d been stabbed.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Has anyone on here blamed people who follow the sikh religion or the Asian race i’ve skimmed through and you’re the first to mention it, awful lot have blamed the murderer and his lying family which is different. What people want to know is why this innocent young lad was dragged across the floor handcuffed and the last thing he heard in life was that he was under arrest and read his rights, if that’s because he’s white and so shouldn’t be believed then we truly are fucked.
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I don't think that it was because he was white. I think it was because the first thing in the Police's mind was the accusation of racism. This is an important distinction, the Police weren't being racist against whites, they jumped to a conclusion for whatever reason which turned out to be wildly wrong.

On the balance of probabilities on another day they either win on making that assumption or they just get the arrest wrong and that's where it ends. However, they just didn't check that the poor lad was dying and that's where the liability will unfortunately fall upon those officers from a misconduct point of view.

The biggest contributing factor were the lies told which led the Police to their failure. Those lies were as powerful as the actual murder and I just cannot fathom how the murderer was only given a minimum of 21 years. Those lies are a significant aggravating factor and aggravated murder carries a potential whole life tariff.
 
Kirkstall Blue said:
Agree the officer sounds kind rather than angry and his assessment was wrong but improved training, recruitment or both ?. he made the wrong initial decision and it leads to a catalogue of mistakes
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And why did he make the wrong decision ?
He made it because the racist card was thrown in,he and every police officer is scared of the implications of it.
What the hell have we all allowed to happen to this country .
 
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