I think you're fighting a losing battle on here mate, the forum has been attracting a certain type for the last couple of years and they don't care for well thought out counter arguments from somebody who is best placed to make them....I should let it lie
Not one police officer with any time in has arrested someone who turns out not to be the offender:
I once chased after someone; as he scaled a wall, I jumped on his back and broke his collar bone as we both fell to the ground-he was screaming. I handcuffed him..Turns out he was a witness.
No medical intervention would have saved Henry-not my words, the words of medical experts.
And Police have v limited training in life saving first aid, and refreshers once a year. They wear many hats but not all with expert knowledge.
People want their pound of flesh-but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've formed an opinion that he was the offender based on the information passed by dispatch and from witnesses (who were lying to protect the murderer!). You cannot view the officer's actions without placing yourself in that position with that knowledge.
Those decisions, that 'flippant' remark will be the basis of the IOPC/PSD investigation.
We have to be careful with the 'respecting wishes of the family' line, great in this case with someone far more measured than I would probably be, but do we then respect the next case where the brother of a victim calls for race riots, rivers of blood on the streets and mass deportations of British citizens?Personally I'm done here-we all need to respect the wishes of Henry's family.
Let's hope there are no more riots inspired by Farage and his cohort because that would be abhorrent.
I'm pleased that you don't. You have a unique perspective that is as welcome - perhaps more so given your experience - as anyone else's....I should let it lie
I remember a story my uncle told me a long time ago, he was a sergeant in the Royal Marines and was on the outskirts of Bremerhaven in 1945 when they came across a young German who was quite clearly dying, he stayed with him spoke to him gave him a drink and shouted the medics stayed with him until he passed. This boy was the enemy who was treated with dignity has he slipped away. Pity the police officers didn’t have the humanity to do that to a young British lad, questions need to be answered hopefully the Independent investigation with answer these....I should let it lie
Not one police officer with any time in has arrested someone who turns out not to be the offender:
I once chased after someone; as he scaled a wall, I jumped on his back and broke his collar bone as we both fell to the ground-he was screaming. I handcuffed him..Turns out he was a witness.
No medical intervention would have saved Henry-not my words, the words of medical experts.
And Police have v limited training in life saving first aid, and refreshers once a year. They wear many hats but not all with expert knowledge.
People want their pound of flesh-but put yourself in their shoes for a moment. You've formed an opinion that he was the offender based on the information passed by dispatch and from witnesses (who were lying to protect the murderer!). You cannot view the officer's actions without placing yourself in that position with that knowledge.
Those decisions, that 'flippant' remark will be the basis of the IOPC/PSD investigation.
I just watched the body cam on tv here in Oz, wow, those cops behaved terribly, why the hell did they handcuff the poor lad, and then drag him across gravel and ignore him when he told them he'd been stabbed ?I remember a story my uncle told me a long time ago, he was a sergeant in the Royal Marines and was on the outskirts of Bremerhaven in 1945 when they came across a young German who was quite clearly dying, he stayed with him spoke to him gave him a drink and shouted the medics stayed with him until he passed. This boy was the enemy who was treated with dignity has he slipped away. Pity the police officers didn’t have the humanity to do that to a young British lad, questions need to be answered hopefully the Independent investigation with answer these.
Farage is on the case re: increasing the sentence.Tragic case.
Hope the murderer’s minimum tariff is increased on appeal. Absolutely shocking series of events with the fake racism accusation, the minimisation of the victim’s wounds and the cover up attempts by the twat and his family. Sounds like aggravating factors to me that should be given more consideration. Can’t think of any mitigations. The fact it’s his first murder isn’t much of a mitigation to me.
Can we not politicize this, please not another left right slagfest. Let's keep this dignified in memory of Henry and his family.Farage is on the case re: increasing the sentence.
The sentence is what I'd expect it to be.
Minimum 21 years. There will have been many murderers in the past week, month and year who got less.
If the roles of the two people involved were reversed, would farage be trying to politicise it? Would he balls.
Farage is an absolute **** trying to politicise it. There are processes in place to handle investigations and appeals and if they are thorough and transparent that’s all we can ask. Metaphorically ranting with torches and pitchforks outside the nearest Gurdwara is exactly what I’d expect from arseholes like Farage, and no doubt it will impress the gormless but it doesn’t help.Farage is on the case re: increasing the sentence.
The sentence is what I'd expect it to be.
Minimum 21 years. There will have been many murderers in the past week, month and year who got less.
If the roles of the two people involved were reversed, would farage be trying to politicise it? Would he balls.
Those were my thoughts watching it. I’ve a son a bit older. Sounds like he couldn’t have been saved but you would hope their last moments would be someone holding their hand and comforting them. It would haunt me forever that he was dragged about and spoken to in that manner.I just watched the body cam on tv here in Oz, wow, those cops behaved terribly, why the hell did they handcuff the poor lad, and then drag him across gravel and ignore him when he told them he'd been stabbed ?
I feel a bit sick having watched that and frighten myself thinking if that was one of my lads.
RIP Henry.
I agree. After watching that horrific video, it’s perfectly normal to be angry, upset and want answers.I'm angry at the murderer as his dealings with the police inhibited the victim getting help. I'm also angry that the police's reaction as it is presented on the video.
Can we not politicize this, please not another left right slagfest. Let's keep this dignified in memory of Henry and his family.
No he couldn't have been saved but nobody tried. It's very hard to understand why the perpetrator didn't call for an ambulance as well as the police, when Henry heard the sirens from the police car he must have thought that help was here, poor lad.Those were my thoughts watching it. I’ve a son a bit older. Sounds like he couldn’t have been saved but you would hope their last moments would be someone holding their hand and comforting them. It would haunt me forever that he was dragged about and spoken to in that manner.
Yeah but there's a politics sub forum for discussing arguing Farage Starmer etc."We" haven't politicised this. Farage et al. already have.
Yeah but there's a politics sub forum for discussing arguing Farage Starmer etc.
This thread is about the death of an 18 year old lad.
Not surprising?Shocking by the police.
The whole point of this thread is because a lot of folk have already politicised it, race has been been mentioned by numerous posters too. Thats why it's a huge storyYeah but there's a politics sub forum for discussing arguing Farage Starmer etc.
This thread is about the death of an 18 year old lad.
When did these riots inspired by Farage start? Must have passed the media by.Let's hope there are no more riots inspired by Farage and his cohort because that would be abhorrent.
Starmer would though.Farage is on the case re: increasing the sentence.
The sentence is what I'd expect it to be.
Minimum 21 years. There will have been many murderers in the past week, month and year who got less.
If the roles of the two people involved were reversed, would farage be trying to politicise it? Would he balls.