Henry Nowak murder

bert38 said:
I missed the detail regarding 'clear visible wounds' to the body?
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I've no axe to grind against our Police force, some of my best friends are past and present officers and I'm no Doctor but looking at that footage you didn't need to be Quincy to realise that lad was in big trouble to drag him across the floor handcuff him and let him die like that is a disgrace in any right thinking persons book.
 
when i was young i firmly believed a.c.a.b. and i won't deny it and many personal experiences living in hulme and longsight further hardened my stance.

in the past decade, through family, i got to know 2 serving police officers in manchester, (one rag, one blue) that gave me a different perspective and of course, as we age, we alter our viewpoints on life.
both of them, in their early 30s, seem kind, decent, family type guys/dads,
who actually live across the road from each other,
but absolutely none of their neighbours know what they do for a living because they keep it very quiet.
some of the stories they told me about what they have to deal with are fucking mental, off the scale.
the stress of not knowing what is ahead of them as they start their shift has a huge impact on their well-being, and on their partners too.

the police force in the uk have become the punchbag for the masses (of any and every political stance) who feel let down by the state and, unsurprisingly, the likes of dixon of dock green no longer exist (evenin' all).

the reality of such a difficult workplace inevitably means that in the heat of the moment when all sorts of chaos is being thrown at them and they have to make one-the-spot decisions, some of them, as human beings, make grave errors of judgment that they later regret.

in this case, though, judging by the video, there seemed to be no chaos at all. nobody was threatening them, they had plenty of time to make the right call,
but they did not,
one of them in particular.

he will have to live with his decision for the rest of his life,
but, if we as citizens have to be held accountable by law for our actions then so should the police.
they are not the law (even though some of them wrongly believe they are) they are merely the upholders of it and as such this copper in question should face the same consequences that we do.

i've been stabbed = "i don't think so, mate"
fuck off, you wanker.
 
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Absolutely sickening that video the poor lad,those cops I just can’t fathom why their attitude was like we don’t believe you when he said he was stabbed,as for the horrible murdering cnut hope he suffers everyday doing his time in prison..
 
Ban-jani said:
Gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in public office, could be racial discrimination but that’s harder to prove.

But take your pick.
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Yep, as soon as he said to the officers "i've been stabbed", their first response, as first responders, should have been to call for medics immediately. Their decision was to dismiss his claim, assuming he was lying to avoid jail. That is not their decision to make.

Granted there are suspects who 'try it on' to avoid jail, but once cleared at hospital they are then charged and taken to jail. These officers decided not to follow protocol and it's cost a young man his life.
 
i kne albert davy said:
I've no axe to grind against our Police force, some of my best friends are past and present officers and I'm no Doctor but looking at that footage you didn't need to be Quincy to realise that lad was in big trouble to drag him across the floor handcuff him and let him die like that is a disgrace in any right thinking persons book.
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Its emotive language-but i do understand..but it was fait accompli by the time the officers arrived.

As the Judge said the officers switched to life saving mode within minutes.

I can assure everyone that the IOPC investigation will be v thorough. They don't have powers to charge for criminal offences-but I guess they could recommend PSD follow it up-and as they are Police, they of course do-and there will be intense political pressure to do so.

There is going to be trouble in Southampton tonight and it will likely spread-again this country will be threatened by the mob.
 
Posters on here going on the offensive against the perceived 'far right ' reaction, really need to take it elsewhere.
This poor, terrified lad, died alone and without a thought for his wellbeing. No one to soothe him and no one to hold him. He died alone in fucking handcuffs .
Why oh why did the police handcuff and the lad ? They must've realised he was no threat to them or anyone else. His wellbeing should've been, first and foremost in their minds, whether they thought he was fucking guilty or not.
His parents and family will live with these thoughts for the rest of their lives.
 
bert38 said:
Its emotive language-but i do understand..but it was fait accompli by the time the officers arrived.

As the Judge said the officers switched to life saving mode within minutes.

I can assure everyone that the IOPC investigation will be v thorough. They don't have powers to charge for criminal offences-but I guess they could recommend PSD follow it up-and as they are Police, they of course do-and there will be intense political pressure to do so.

There is going to be trouble in Southampton tonight and it will likely spread-again this country will be threatened by the mob.
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Why is there 'going to be trouble in Southampton' tonight?

What makes you so sure?
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Posters on here going on the offensive against the perceived 'far right ' reaction, really need to take it elsewhere.
This poor, terrified lad, died alone and without a thought for his wellbeing. No one to soothe him and no one to hold him. He died alone in fucking handcuffs .
Why oh why did the police handcuff and the lad ? They must've realised he was no threat to them or anyone else. His wellbeing should've been, first and foremost in their minds, whether they thought he was fucking guilty or not.
His parents and family will live with these thoughts for the rest of their lives.
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We're all far-right when we're disgusted by the action of His Majesty's Finest that leads to an innocent young man's murder, apparently.

As to why they handcuffed him? It'll be defended with one word; policy.
 
bert38 said:
As the Judge said the officers switched to life saving mode within minutes.
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any decent human being coming across a non-threatening person curled up on the floor stating that they have been stabbed should not take "minutes" to switch to life saving mode,
let alone someone supposedly trained in the skill of life-saving who decided to drag, handcuff and mock them.
the officer in question is on film. he is a wanker.
you can defend them all you like but they seriously fucked up and you going over and over it isn't going to make it any better.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Posters on here going on the offensive against the perceived 'far right ' reaction, really need to take it elsewhere.
This poor, terrified lad, died alone and without a thought for his wellbeing. No one to soothe him and no one to hold him. He died alone in fucking handcuffs .
Why oh why did the police handcuff and the lad ? They must've realised he was no threat to them or anyone else. His wellbeing should've been, first and foremost in their minds, whether they thought he was fucking guilty or not.
His parents and family will live with these thoughts for the rest of their lives.
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It happened because he was white and was accused of racism.

Let’s not beat around the bush.
 
Ban-jani said:
Gross negligence manslaughter, perverting the course of justice, misconduct in public office, could be racial discrimination but that’s harder to prove.

But take your pick.
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Again, not according to the evidence of the pathologist at the trial, who said (in the judge's paraphrase) that "[Nowak] would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment." But I don't get the impression your reaction to this case is subject to reason of this kind.
 
Monkfish said:
The police killed him now? String em up
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I said it lead to, not the cause of. He had a chance of being saved and the first responders, the poilce, handcuffed him and watched him die, because they didn't follow first responder protocol in response to someone saying 'i've been stabbed'.

But sure you defend them.
 
KPXBLN said:
Again, not according to the evidence of the pathologist at the trial, who said (in the judge's paraphrase) that "[Nowak] would not have survived, however quickly he received first aid, CPR or expert medical treatment." But I don't get the impression your reaction to this case is subject to reason of this kind.
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So because he was a lost cause, yours and the pathologists' defence is the officers shouldn't have even bothered? How was the pathologist going to know that at the time, were they there?
 
Metal Biker said:
I said it lead to, not the cause of. He had a chance of being saved and the first responders, the poilce, handcuffed him and watched him die, because they didn't follow first responder protocol in response to someone saying 'i've been stabbed'.

But sure you defend them.
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He has no chance of surviving

Or you now know more than the coroner?

And what is it I posted that’s defending anyone? Try and read information better, whether in the news or what people post on here

It will help you formulate more sensible opinions and not come across so bad
 
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