Henry Nowak murder

moomba said:
My thoughts are that the authorities should carry out an investigation and take appropriate action as a result of that investigation.

Until that happens everyone needs to calm down a bit. Particularly those that seem to be relishing stirring the pot.

Watching a video, or not watching a video makes no difference to that.
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Have you watched the fucking footage?
 
hello said:
Out of interest why is it ongoing? Were they waiting for the conviction? Surely more than enough time has elapsed to view everything, interview and mark their own homework.
I’ll have the say the twat Hampshire police had apologise did well to keep a straight face. What a condescending prick he was.
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Firstly you need to stop with the ‘marking their own homework’ otherwise it’s pointless debating it with you.

The IOPC would have been informed the very night Henry died-PSD (professional standards) would’ve been informed. Those things are an automatic referral for v low level matters, let alone a death in custody. Their investigations would start immediately.

The process usually involves serving officers with notices under police regs if they are under investigation.

On occasions those officers might be placed on restricted duties, for example where they have no contact with the public.

The process can be lengthy particularly when it runs alongside a criminal investigation and due to such things as sub judice, the investigation may be paused entirely whilst the criminal side is ongoing.

We know now that the criminal side has been concluded in which case the IOPC investigation can now run uninterrupted.

IOPC can recommend a number of sanctions up to sacking.

BUT from my understanding none of the officers involved have so far been served with misconduct papers because the latest IOPC press release stated clearly that those officers are still being treated as witnesses-remember the death in custody element triggered an automatic referral in the first place-not wrongdoing.

My thoughts are this might change in light of public outcry but this can also be balanced by the Judge’s summary. My thoughts ultimately are that for the investigation purposes the key times under consideration will be from dispatch to Henry’s death, in particular the decision to handcuff (which as use of force must be justified by the officer-but one supposes that a use of force form was completed) and the dismissive remark, with this weighed against their switch to realising Henry was struggling -which we believe was 1-3 minutes.

We also don’t know who resigned, when they resigned or why they resigned.
 
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The blue phantom said:
My point is there's umpteen posters who are 100% adamant the coppers took their word because they had Brown skin. They aren't interested in any other argument just it was based on race. Which is bollocks.
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Its not entirely bollocks.

A very good interview yesterday with a serving policeman. He said the way policemen are trained since the mcpherson report and an almost obsession with not ‘appearing racist’ makes policemen think twice in certain situations.

Im very good friends with a retired copper, he said the same and when that happened he was out.
He and most policemen just want to police on instinct rather than having to have doubt in certain situations
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Its not entirely bollocks.

A very good interview yesterday with a serving policeman. He said the way policemen are trained since the mcpherson report and an almost obsession with not ‘appearing racist’ makes policemen think twice in certain situations.

Im very good friends with a retired copper, he said the same and when that happened he was out.
He and most policemen just want to police on instinct rather than having to have doubt in certain situations
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A serving officer?

A serving police officer would not use the term ‘policemen’ -
 
Blue Smarties said:
Have you watched the fucking footage?
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No. But I'm sure the footage will be examined as part of the investigation. And that together with other evidence will allow for a much more complete and accurate assessment of what happened without the need for people bringing out the pitchforks and protest outside police stations.

I'm not sure why people are so opposed to the idea of an investigation determining the facts and taking appropriate action as a result.

Actually with a few I'm 100% sure why they oppose it.
 
Our mainstream press headlined Farage in the aftermath of the murder of Henry Nowak. He and Tommy Robinson incited the violence we now see, and one can read and hear their words online. They have sought political advantage from tragedy, ignoring the plea of Henry Nowak's father. They have outed themselves once again, as has our press, which places profit before people and peace.
 
I'm sure we'll hear plenty of "diversity is strength" bollocks over the next few days/weeks, but it's utter nonsense. Unity is strength, diversity brings nothing but division (not suggesting that is right, but it's all too apparent in the UK right now). This poor lads death cannot be allowed to become a symbol of hatred, but his death can be a wake up call to those who are driving us at high speed, down a path of them & us.
 
PinkFinal said:
www.theguardian.com

A horrific murder – and a civil war threatening to tear apart the British right | Joe Mulhall

After the conviction of Henry Nowak’s killer, the right is embracing racialised language. This tragedy is now just part of a political tussle, says Joe Mulhall of Hope Not Hate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Fuck me! Hope Not Hate. They're as much a part of the problem as Nigel Farage. They can always be depended on for comforting lies, when liberal nerves are jangled by the beastly behaviour of the brutish great unwashed.

So many folk who can't stomach Farage's bitter slop, can't get enough of Hope Not Hate's sickly palette cleanser. Those who see themselves as primarily nice, progressive and empathetic simply refuse to see that Farage and Hope Not Hate are just different cheeks of the same arse, they've both got a dog in the race, they're both peddlers of easy answers to their target audience, and both doing rather nicely out of it by all accounts.
 
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BlueMoonday said:
I hope the police officers involved are prosecuted. There's making a misjudgement and then there's being co pletely incompetent.
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Lessons learnt bollocks like every other fucking time the coppers or other agencies fuck up.
Anyhow Starmer looked like he was gonna lose it just now on the clip i saw, definitely tears there, it will be lost in time though.
Whether it be a Stephen Lawrence, raped kids or this poor bastard and his family people will be scrambling for their escape from blame Room.
Farage is a class A **** but anyone who doesn't feel helpless rage about these things is an emotionless twat tbh.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Nothing off about it at all, the race card was used straight away by the murderer, so straight away he was sided with, I’d like to think if someone is on the floor and is of no danger as the body cam shows they’d have looked for stab wounds. That copper needs to be retrained at minimum.
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He needs fucking sacking minimum.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
I wasnt quoting him directly dafty. My whole post wasnt his actual quote was it?

Silly
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its early-I was being pedantic!

I do think senior management teams across the country have at times impacted negatively how police operate on the frontlines due to their own personal ambition-but that's largely due to my own personal experience and is really a much wider topic where police meets politics-I don't think its actually v relevant here.

The report was a racially aggravated assault? The police responded to that-we know now that that was a tissue of lies intended to mislead the officers that arrived and continued upon their arrival. I don't think it goes wider than that in terms of the officers' decision-making.
 
hilts said:
Lessons learnt bollocks like every other fucking time the coppers or other agencies fuck up.
Anyhow Starmer looked like he was gonna lose it just now on the clip i saw, definitely tears there, it will be lost in time though.
Whether it be a Stephen Lawrence, raped kids or this poor bastard and his family people will be scrambling for their escape from blame Room.
Farage is a class A **** but anyone who doesn't feel helpless rage about these things is an emotionless twat tbh.
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Yeah, but who is actively encouraging that rage to become public disorder? He's a grifter and an opportunist-and isn't above the law.
 
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