Henry Nowak murder

[Gaylord du Bois]

Sadly, the lad was on borrowed time when the police turned up. Not even an on-scene trauma surgeon would have been able to save him from what I've read.

And yet they cuffed him. A helpless individual who was of no threat to anyone, as he lay on the ground.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

He recognises he's been hurt and can see a facial injury. Given the time of night and conditions it's not unreasonable for him to assume that he's been hurt as a result of a fall rather than being stabbed. Henry tells him he's been stabbed, but the officer has been told he's an assailant and has hurt himself trying to run away. I know it's objective, but I do find it understandable, yet totally tragic, that his own report was initially dismissed.

So the officers in attendance have been told he's hurt himself by running away but they still cuffed him, instead of assessing any physical damage ? The first thing they saw was a casualty, on the deck. They monumentally fucked up.
The poor lads last moments should've been of someone attempting to help him, not fucking disable him, in cuffs.
He was the only casualty. The only one showing any signs of injury.
All this 1-3 minutes, it was dark, they were lied to, bollocks, is nothing more than a rejection of the facts .

 

[Snape]

And yet they cuffed him. A helpless individual who was of no threat to anyone, as he lay on the ground.

Exactly this - where were the lawful grounds for cuffing?
The decision must be proportionate and based on an honest assessment that the person poses a risk of -
Violence or assault, to officers, the public, or themselves
Escape, a genuine flight risk following arrest
Self-harm , where there's a credible immediate risk

 

[BlueMoonday]

It's worrying to think what these "Police Officers" are being instructed and taught during training. Common sense policing has gone out of the window and it's dangerous.

 

[UnderControl]

You'd think of all the professions.. If a policeman got radioed whatever 'attend a scene on Belmont Rd, we've had a call saying someone has been racially abused'
You'd go to yourself 'well, I'll keep a fucking open mind when I get there'

 

[BlueMoonday]

You'd think of all the professions.. If a policeman got radioed whatever 'attend a scene on Belmont Rd, we've had a call saying someone has been racially abused'
You'd go to yourself 'well, I'll keep a fucking open mind when I get there'

Unfortunately they haven't got the brains to keep an open mind.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

And yet they cuffed him. A helpless individual who was of no threat to anyone, as he lay on the ground.

Becuse he'd wrongly been identified as the agressor. The actions of any emegency services personnel upon ariving at the scene of an icident it to ensure their own safety and the safety of others.

Nowak was reported to be drunk by Digwa which would have had bearing on how the officers approached the situation. From personal experience, drunk people can go from placcid and unresponsive to lashing out and causing havoc in next to no time. Cuffing him whilst trying to ascertain the facts would have been a no-brainer.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Can I just check where you have got the information that the victim was reported as being drunk?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Becuse he'd wrongly been identified as the agressor. The actions of any emegency services personnel upon ariving at the scene of an icident it to ensure their own safety and the safety of others.

Nowak was reported to be drunk by Digwa which would have had bearing on how the officers approached the situation. From personal experience, drunk people can go from placcid and unresponsive to lashing out and causing havoc in next to no time. Cuffing him whilst trying to ascertain the facts would have been a no-brainer.

It's definitely not a no brainer. He was the only casualty at the scene and should've been treated and assessed as such. There's no getting away from that.

 

[bert38]

Becuse he'd wrongly been identified as the agressor. The actions of any emegency services personnel upon ariving at the scene of an icident it to ensure their own safety and the safety of others.

Nowak was reported to be drunk by Digwa which would have had bearing on how the officers approached the situation. From personal experience, drunk people can go from placcid and unresponsive to lashing out and causing havoc in next to no time. Cuffing him whilst trying to ascertain the facts would have been a no-brainer.

It’s as the paper on anchoring says-people here are anchored in full knowledge of Henry’s condition-hence the ‘all this 1-3 minutes bollox’

If it was all so easy at the time why didn’t the officer do it, find the wound and treat it…

Just interesting that the whole ‘open mind until I get there’ wouldve then meant questioning everyone at length wasting much more time….and then the same people would say ‘why didn’t you waste time asking the same questions when you already knew?’

In any other walk of life pivoting from one mindset to another in such a short space of time would be impressive.

It’s also impossible to be a ‘trained professional’ and a ‘idiot’ at the same time.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It's definitely not a no brainer. He was the only casualty at the scene and should've been treated and assessed as such. There's no getting away from that.

It will be interesting to see what happens when the circumstances are investigated about both the brothers being sacked from roles at their Temple and reported to police by the temple for theft of weapons.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

It’s as the paper on anchoring says-people here are anchored in full knowledge of Henry’s condition-hence the ‘all this 1-3 minutes bollox’

If it was all so easy at the time why didn’t the officer do it, find the wound and treat it…

Just interesting that the whole ‘open mind until I get there’ wouldve then meant questioning everyone at length wasting much more time….and then the same people would say ‘why didn’t you waste time asking the same questions when you already knew?’

In any other walk of life pivoting from one mindset to another in such a short space of time would be impressive.

It’s also impossible to be a ‘trained professional’ and a ‘idiot’ at the same time.

The paper on anchoring was written by a member of the criminal justice system who places significant emphasis on the comments by the judge, another member of the criminal justice system.

Neither comment or even mention the very obvious fact that I’ve repeatedly pointed out to you today that on arrival at the scene the officer himself IMMEDIATELY identified Henry was injured. Indeed, which jars with the wicked lies conspiracy idea, they were also told straight away by the killer’s father that Henry was injured

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

It's definitely not a no brainer. He was the only casualty at the scene and should've been treated and assessed as such. There's no getting away from that.

How many drunk people have you had to deal with in your line of work?

Emergency services do it day-in-day-out.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

How many drunk people have you had to deal with in your line of work?

Emergency services do it day-in-day-out.

Where have you got the information about being drunk from? It’s not mentioned in the 999 recording from the brother

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Where have you got the information about being drunk from? It’s not mentioned in the 999 recording from the brother

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Henry_Nowak (reference 22 and 23)

 

[bert38]

The paper on anchoring was written by a member of the criminal justice system who places significant emphasis on the comments by the judge, another member of the criminal justice system.

Neither comment or even mention the very obvious fact that I’ve repeatedly pointed out to you today that on arrival at the scene the officer himself IMMEDIATELY identified Henry was injured. Indeed, which jars with the wicked lies conspiracy idea, they were also told straight away by the killer’s father that Henry was injured

But anchoring is a psychological phenomenon causing a cognitive bias. It can apply here too.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

It’s as the paper on anchoring says-people here are anchored in full knowledge of Henry’s condition-hence the ‘all this 1-3 minutes bollox’

If it was all so easy at the time why didn’t the officer do it, find the wound and treat it…

Just interesting that the whole ‘open mind until I get there’ wouldve then meant questioning everyone at length wasting much more time….and then the same people would say ‘why didn’t you waste time asking the same questions when you already knew?’

In any other walk of life pivoting from one mindset to another in such a short space of time would be impressive.

It’s also impossible to be a ‘trained professional’ and a ‘idiot’ at the same time.

How many officers attended the scene ? It's been reported as three. So yes this 1-3 minutes is bollocks.
Three officers had 1-3 minutes each but not one of them acted accordingly towards the casualty, in plane sight.

 

[UnderControl]

It’s as the paper on anchoring says-people here are anchored in full knowledge of Henry’s condition-hence the ‘all this 1-3 minutes bollox’

If it was all so easy at the time why didn’t the officer do it, find the wound and treat it…

Just interesting that the whole ‘open mind until I get there’ wouldve then meant questioning everyone at length wasting much more time….and then the same people would say ‘why didn’t you waste time asking the same questions when you already knew?’

In any other walk of life pivoting from one mindset to another in such a short space of time would be impressive.

It’s also impossible to be a ‘trained professional’ and a ‘idiot’ at the same time.

I'd dispute that last bit, sometimes you're trained to be an idiot..

The police are human like the rest of us but there's no way getting the initial information didn't colour their view of the situation they walked into

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Henry_Nowak (reference 22 and 23)

Apologies where in those references is that mentioned? Do you mean the police being told this at the scene after they’ve immediately already identified him as being injured?

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

But anchoring is a psychological phenomenon causing a cognitive bias. It can apply here too.

Well exactly - to the author and the judge also.
Omitting key facts is a bit of a clue that may well be has happened