Henry Nowak murder

[Phil1]

And why was that?

The definition of racism is...

"Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against an individual or group based on their race or ethnic background."

Accusations of racism do not constitute a crime....

"Having racist thoughts or holding racist beliefs is not inherently a crime, but acting on them—through harassment, violence, incitement to hatred, or discrimination—is illegal. The law targets overt behaviours that cause harm, infringe on people's rights, or threaten public safety."

So in what way could even a Johnny on the spot police officer have shoe horned the situation he found on his arrival into any of the above...

Answer?

He couldn't in reality.

But somehow he did.

And why?

Because he responded not to the reality on the ground but according to his training. He saw things not as they were but as he's been trained to see them and that's because of the institutional capture of our beloved police "service"! What a fucking misnomer that is.

This is what happens when ideology overrides material reality, this terrible tragedy is nothing more than a brutal and horrible fact check to the nightmare of the "progressive" hive mind, an orthodoxy that we've all been browbeaten to accept against our will, we're all supposed to fall in line and if we don't there are consequences.

And why is that?

Because we're frightened of being called morons, or bigots or racists, and all this shit is sanctioned in the name of compassion and empathy and multiculturalism and underwritten by the state.

Well increasingly people are saying no and in numbers and they're not all rioting, or supporting Reform or Restore, my experience is they've simply withdrawn with a sense of profound sadness.

As for you? You're being played my friend.

Might I suggest you stay in your cosy bubble and don't stray out where the rubber hits the road, you know the real world. My advice, when you're out of your depth and in a hole, stop digging! I'm assuming, of course, you have a modicum of self awareness.

First of all, that's an awful lot of anger and bluster in reply to a post that just offered my thoughts on why the officers on scene reacted the way they did and the possible reasons for it. I never once said I agreed with it or defended them. In fact what you've wrote is pretty much what I was getting at, police are more worried about being accused of racism than doing their jobs properly and it's ended up in a tragic situation like this.

Second of all you wouldn't last a minute in my world and thinking I live in a cosy bubble is fucking hilarious.

 

[expatblue]

First of all, that's an awful lot of anger and bluster in reply to a post that just offered my thoughts on why the officers on scene reacted the way they did and the possible reasons for it. I never once said I agreed with it or defended them.

Second of all you wouldn't last a minute in my world and thinking I live in a cosy bubble is fucking hilarious.

Is competitive knitting a dangerous vocation then?

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Is competitive knitting a dangerous vocation then?

B-)

 

[Phil1]

Is competitive knitting a dangerous vocation then?

I suppose there's some risk involved but probably nothing to worry about.

 

[bert38]

And why was that?

The definition of racism is...

"Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against an individual or group based on their race or ethnic background."

Accusations of racism do not constitute a crime....

"Having racist thoughts or holding racist beliefs is not inherently a crime, but acting on them—through harassment, violence, incitement to hatred, or discrimination—is illegal. The law targets overt behaviours that cause harm, infringe on people's rights, or threaten public safety."

So in what way could even a Johnny on the spot police officer have shoe horned the situation he found on his arrival into any of the above...

Answer?

He couldn't in reality.

But somehow he did.

And why?

Because he responded not to the reality on the ground but according to his training. He saw things not as they were but as he's been trained to see them and that's because of the institutional capture of our beloved police "service"! What a fucking misnomer that is.

This is what happens when ideology overrides material reality, this terrible tragedy is nothing more than a brutal and horrible fact check to the nightmare of the "progressive" hive mind, an orthodoxy that we've all been browbeaten to accept against our will, we're all supposed to fall in line and if we don't there are consequences.

And why is that?

Because we're frightened of being called morons, or bigots or racists, and all this shit is sanctioned in the name of compassion and empathy and multiculturalism and underwritten by the state.

Well increasingly people are saying no and in numbers and they're not all rioting, or supporting Reform or Restore, my experience is they've simply withdrawn with a sense of profound sadness.

As for you? You're being played my friend.

Might I suggest you stay in your cosy bubble and don't stray out where the rubber hits the road, you know the real world. My advice, when you're out of your depth and in a hole, stop digging! I'm assuming, of course, you have a modicum of self awareness.

the reality is this likely had nothing to do with the police officer's decision to arrest Henry-he was acting on information relayed to him by control and then at the scene by 'witnesses'-not everything is some hivemind capture-it can be simple-here's my victim, there's my offender.

secondly, this 'two-tier policing' and I appreciate you haven't used those words-is rhetoric from the right wing who are once again setting the agenda and convincing people that its a thing. and frankly its bollox.

 

[Marklr]

Some of the usual people on here...very passionate too.

 

[SWP's back]

And why is that?

Because you spend all day dealing with cunts and when you get back to the station, half your colleagues are also cunts.

 

[Phil1]

Because you spend all day dealing with cunts and when you get back to the station, half your colleagues are also cunts.

I should have kept it short and sweet like your good self in hindsight. :-)

 

[i kne albert davy]

Because you spend all day dealing with cunts and when you get back to the station, half your colleagues are also cunts.

Unfortunately in this case he dealt with the **** as the nice guy and the nice guy as a ****, when he got back to the station he was the **** his colleagues had to deal with.

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

Unfortunately in this case he dealt with the **** as the nice guy and the nice guy as a ****, when he got back to the station he was the **** his colleagues had to deal with.

A sentence with **** used three times. Impressive work, sir.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Unfortunately in this case he dealt with the **** as the nice guy and the nice guy as a ****, when he got back to the station he was the **** his colleagues had to deal with.

It can’t be that common for the murderer and their family to phone 999 and try and invent a racist attack to cover up his own murder.

Guess that might also have impacted on how the police originally reacted when arriving at the scene.

It still doesn’t excuse them not listening to the pleas of Nowak and checking him more thoroughly though.

 

[i kne albert davy]

A sentence with **** used three times. Impressive work, sir.

had my work cut out to beat the previous poster :-)

 

[i kne albert davy]

It can’t be that common for the murderer and their family to phone 999 and try and invent a racist attack to cover up his own murder.

Guess that might also have impacted on how the police originally reacted when arriving at the scene.

It still doesn’t excuse them not listening to the pleas of Nowak and checking him more thoroughly though.

He pulled the racism card almost as fast as the knife i’ll give him that, proper family effort.

 

[The perfect fumble]

First of all, that's an awful lot of anger and bluster in reply to a post that just offered my thoughts on why the officers on scene reacted the way they did and the possible reasons for it. I never once said I agreed with it or defended them. In fact what you've wrote is pretty much what I was getting at, police are more worried about being accused of racism than doing their jobs properly and it's ended up in a tragic situation like this.

Second of all you wouldn't last a minute in my world and thinking I live in a cosy bubble is fucking hilarious.

Credit to you for your measured response.

 

[Phil1]

Credit to you for your measured response.

I've been away for a fair few months and wanted to be a bit more measured and not thinking everyone is a **** whilst I'm back for a bit.
It's hard though.

:-)

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

And the end of the day, the kid is dead SOLEY because of the actions of the guy with the knife. No amount of intervention by the attending front-line emergency services would have altered that outcome.

Yes, IN HINDSIGHT the officer acted inappropriately. I've offered potential reasons why he might have acted that way based on my own personal experiences, but in reality there is only one person who knows that. Hate on the police all you want, but imagine a society without these brave men and women putting themselves in harm's way, often to protect people who have no respect for what they do. Yes, some of them might be wrong 'uns, but that's the same in all walks of life.

 

[i kne albert davy]

And the end of the day, the kid is dead SOLEY because of the actions of the guy with the knife. No amount of intervention by the attending front-line emergency services would have altered that outcome.

Yes, IN HINDSIGHT the officer acted inappropriately. I've offered potential reasons why he might have acted that way based on my own personal experiences, but in reality there is only one person who knows that. Hate on the police all you want, but imagine a society without these brave men and women putting themselves in harm's way, often to protect people who have no respect for what they do. Yes, some of them might be wrong 'uns, but that's the same in all walks of life.

I’m no Doctor but from what i’ve read people have survived this type of damage,but professional medical assistance must be almost immediate, just how long that is i don’t know.Or how long his murderer and his equally culpable family were filming him taking the piss and lying to Police instead of calling paramedics and ambulance is anyone’s guess.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I’m no Doctor but from what i’ve read people have survived this type of damage,but professional medical assistance must be almost immediate, just how long that is i don’t know.Or how long his murderer and his equally culpable family were filming him taking the piss and lying to Police instead of calling paramedics and ambulance is anyone’s guess.

Even with a cardiothoracic surgeon on scene it's likely he would not have survived. The injuries he had required immediate surgical intervention.

IF the family had called paramedics immediately after the stabbing and an ALS trained medic arrived on the scene, stablised him as best they could and got him to am operating theatre with a specialist surgery team prepped and ready to go within 15 minutes he might have stood a very slim chance of surviving.

 

[Marklr]

I think the real issue here is whether Sikhs should be allowed to have these knives just because of the particular fantasy they believe in. the answer is NO; Prove your god exists first, and then you can do what the fuck you like.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I think the real issue here is whether Sikhs should be allowed to have these knives just because of the particular fantasy they believe in. the answer is NO; Prove your god exists first, and then you can do what the fuck you like.

Would you advocate putting speed limiters in all cars because speeding is a factor in hundreds of road deaths in the UK every year?

Denying a whole group their long standing religious freedoms based on the actions of one person is a little bit reactionary. Sure, lets have a national debate on the matter, but lets not overreact.