Higuain

[Pitchell]

And, as I pointed out, this actually hasn't happened to Ilkay Gundogan at all. He had one big injury and hasn't really missed much through injury outside of that.

Outside the back injury he has missed only 38 games since 2008 through injury.

You say that as though 38 games is very few. 38 games is the length of a league campaign. And you're selectively ignoring the terrible back inury that kept him out for almost two seasons. And you're also ignoring the fact that if his latest injury would have happened in, say, November rather than May, he would have missed another 15-20 matches, instead of being injured during the summer break.

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make. The fact that Gundogan has struggled badly with injuries in his career so far is beyond doubt. It's not a slight on him as a player, simply an observation. And I think everybody hopes that his struggles are over and he will be healthy for the rest of his career.

 

[domalino]

Having bad luck is picking up a one-off freak injury (Canizares dropping a bottle of aftershave on his foot that meant he missed the Euros or World Cup, for instance)

Suffering the same injury over and over again means you have a chronic injury.

Suffering various different injuries to different parts of your body in different circumstances, means you're injury prone.

Gundogan is clearly the latter, at least so far in his career.

I'd argue under your definitions that he's not injury prone. He had a back problem that he needed to fix at some point in his career - it was always going to happen and he said himself he made a mistake by waiting to get it done.

And the second injury was a freak accident in a game of basketball.

Neither are injuries that we will ever have to worry about recurring.

He's played over 70 games in the last 2 years -
Despite the freak basketball injury - he's shown that normally he's capable of playing constantly without injury, he's hust had 2 unlucky moments in his career.

 

[Rammy Blue]

And, as I pointed out, this actually hasn't happened to Ilkay Gundogan at all. He had one big injury and hasn't really missed much through injury outside of that.

Outside the back injury he has missed only 38 games since 2008 through injury.



Bingo.



Great post.

You're not very good at this are you?

You've just replied to johnmc's post saying "bingo" which proves our point not yours, that it DOESN'T have to be the same injury.

;-)

 

[domalino]

Seeing as this is the Higuain thread not the Gundogan one

Lots of reports in Italy today that Higuains transfer is being funded by selling Morata, Lemina, Zaza and Pereyra - not Pogba.

Quite a few reports that the two deals are unrelated and actually buying Higuain and making such a big statement of intent might be enough to convince Pogba to hang around 1 more season and try for the champions league with Juventus n

 

[Akiva]

You say that as though 38 games is very few. 38 games is the length of a league campaign. And you're selectively ignoring the terrible back inury that kept him out for almost two seasons. And you're also ignoring the fact that if his latest injury would have happened in, say, November rather than May, he would have missed another 15-20 matches, instead of being injured during the summer break.

I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make. The fact that Gundogan has struggled badly with injuries in his career so far is beyond doubt. It's not a slight on him as a player, simply an observation. And I think everybody hopes that his struggles are over and he will be healthy for the rest of his career.

I'm not saying 38 games is few, but 38 games over 8 seasons is relatively low. We have a raft of players who have a worse injury track record already on the squad. Aguero has one of the worst injury records in the Premier League, but he's getting an extension. 38 games is even less in comparison to the 348 that he did play in. The back injury is a factor but it was beyond his control and he hasn't had a re-occurrence.

You say he's struggled with injuries, this I can agree with. But my point is that there is a difference between struggling with injuries and being injury prone. One references a player's past, the other affects him in the future. There is nothing to suggest his past injuries will play a factor going forward.

You're not very good at this are you?

You've just replied to johnmc's post saying "bingo" which proves our point not yours, that it DOESN'T have to be the same injury.

;-)

Actually, if you read my original post, I made the point that he hasn't missed many games through injury outside of his back injury. That was in line with what he posted.

Seeing as this is the Higuain thread not the Gundogan one

Lots of reports in Italy today that Higuains transfer is being funded by selling Morata, Lemina, Zaza and Pereyra - not Pogba.

Quite a few reports that the two deals are unrelated and actually buying Higuain and making such a big statement of intent might be enough to convince Pogba to hang around 1 more season and try for the champions league with Juventus n

Di Marzio posted that Juventus were planning on funding this whether the Pogba deal goes through or not and the two were unrelated. I'm not sure I buy that, but it's true Juventus aren't short any money.

The thought occurred though, didn't they dangle Bonucci infront of us? What if that was used to make up some of the deficit?

 

[Rammy Blue]

Actually, if you read my original post, I made the point that he hasn't missed many games through injury outside of his back injury. That was in line with what he posted.

Right, just for clarity so we can move on....

You said that to be injury prone it had to be the same injury.

johnmc posted that to be injury prone means you miss lots of games through injury,

you quoted johnmc saying, "bingo".

Conclusion: you're full of shit.

 

[Pitchell]

I'm not saying 38 games is few, but 38 games over 8 seasons is relatively low. We have a raft of players who have a worse injury track record already on the squad. Aguero has one of the worst injury records in the Premier League, but he's getting an extension. 38 games is even less in comparison to the 348 that he did play in. The back injury is a factor but it was beyond his control and he hasn't had a re-occurrence.

You say he's struggled with injuries, this I can agree with. But my point is that there is a difference between struggling with injuries and being injury prone. One references a player's past, the other affects him in the future. There is nothing to suggest his past injuries will play a factor going forward.

38 in 8 seasons, almost two of which he missed through the back injury. So it's really 38 in 6 seasons, which is a significant amount if you ask me.

Surely the greatest indicator of whether someone will struggle with injuries in the future is whether they have struggled with injuries in the past. There is a lot to suggest that Gundogan may struggle with injuries in the future, given that he has done so in the past.

 

[Centurions]

Having bad luck is picking up a one-off freak injury (Canizares dropping a bottle of aftershave on his foot that meant he missed the Euros or World Cup, for instance)

Suffering the same injury over and over again means you have a chronic injury.

Suffering various different injuries to different parts of your body in different circumstances, means you're injury prone.

Gundogan is clearly the latter, at least so far in his career.

Since he came back from his back operation (October 2014) he's missed 1 match from a hamstring injury (just 1 so probably just a bit tight since it wasn't long after his comeback), 1 from illness, 1 from infection, 1 from the flu, 3 from a bruised foot (presumably he got kicked on it), 1 from a pelvis injury (I think he injured it in the previous match) and 1 from a foot injury.

That doesn't fulfill the criteria for 'injury prone' by my reckoning.

 

[Akiva]

Right, just for clarity so we can move on....

You said that to be injury prone it had to be the same injury.

johnmc posted that to be injury prone means you miss lots of games through injury,

you quoted johnmc saying, "bingo".

Conclusion: you're full of shit.

No, let's just belabour the point one more time.

I posted two things - he hasn't missed significant time because of injuries, he hasn't had repeat injuries. With both of these things, I conclude he isn't injury prone.

You come in and make bullshit posts that don't actually say anything and expect to somehow be included in the adult discussion.

Conclusion: Fuck off.

Surely the greatest indicator of whether someone will struggle with injuries in the future is whether they have struggled with injuries in the past. There is a lot to suggest that Gundogan may struggle with injuries in the future, given that he has done so in the past.

If he were struggling with the same injuries, I would agree. If the guy gets bruises his foot playing basketball in the same season he catches the flu, and spends relatively little time out with said injuries, I'm not inclined to call him injury prone.

 

[80s Shorts]

No, let's just belabour the point one more time.

I posted two things - he hasn't missed significant time because of injuries, he hasn't had repeat injuries. With both of these things, I conclude he isn't injury prone.

You come in and make bullshit posts that don't actually say anything and expect to somehow be included in the adult discussion.

Conclusion: Fuck off.



If he were struggling with the same injuries, I would agree. If the guy gets bruises his foot playing basketball in the same season he catches the flu, and spends relatively little time out with said injuries, I'm not inclined to call him injury prone.

Haha, well said.