Home grown (etc) rules ?

ColinLee said:
Correct, he's been here since he was 6 so would be club trained next year(?). That said I'm not sure he's good enough or ever will be but that's for a different thread.
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I don't think the likes of Evans will actually be 'in the squad' at the start of September, rather the entire EDS will act as a reserve pool for the CL squad (those that have been here 2 years anyway) as we only need to register B list players the night before a game. Makes more sense to call them up as, when and if they're needed rather than raising their hopes at the start of the season only for most of them not to make a matchday squad.
 
aguero93:20 said:
I don't think the likes of Evans will actually be 'in the squad' at the start of September, rather the entire EDS will act as a reserve pool for the CL squad (those that have been here 2 years anyway) as we only need to register B list players the night before a game. Makes more sense to call them up as, when and if they're needed rather than raising their hopes at the start of the season only for most of them not to make a matchday squad.
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Of course he wouldn't, I'm an idiot.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Nothing is stopping us. We can even sign De Bruyne and use Zuculini for the August games without registering him in the squad as we don't have to submit our final squad of 25 to either the Premier League or UEFA until the 3rd of September. I doubt Zuculini is causing the hold up with the De Bruyne move to be honest, I think we're just trying to pick out the right PL Loan for him (ie a team with a shortage of midfield players where he's more likely to (a) get game time and (b) be an important player to his team as Lopes and Denayer were last season).
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thanks aguero93:20....I wasnt sure when we had to submit out final squad! cheers mate!;)
 
George Hannah said:
If we sign Pogba it doesn't matter if it turns out he is home grown because we'd have to lose one of Hart, Clichy, Delph or Sterling in order for him to fill a locally trained spot.
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No, we can have up to 21 locally-trained players in the squad, we just have to lose the non-HG players. Any locally-trained player we sign from now on would more than likely displace a fringe non-HG player.
 
cleavers said:
I'd say it does matter then.
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Not really, whether he's homegrown, or not, we'd need to add someone to one of the 17 "open" slots. The only difference would be, if he was homegrown, we'd name any one of 5 players (Hart, Clichy, Sterling, Delph or Pogba) to the "open slot" position, whereas if he's not homegrown it would be Pogba specifically we added to the "open slot". Where is does matter is, in subsequent seasons, when it comes to letting homegrown players exit. If, next summer, we looked to offload Clichy then Pogba being homegrown would make that a far easier thing to do (as we'd still be able to name 4 homegrown players), whereas if Pogba isn't homegrown then we'd only have 3 left at the club once Clichy left (Hart, Delph and Sterling) so we'd need to address the homegrown quota again.

I was under the impression that Pogba wasn't at United long enough to qualify as homegrown (albeit he missed out by a matter of days).
 
Matty said:
Not really, whether he's homegrown, or not, we'd need to add someone to one of the 17 "open" slots. The only difference would be, if he was homegrown, we'd name any one of 5 players (Hart, Clichy, Sterling, Delph or Pogba) to the "open slot" position, whereas if he's not homegrown it would be Pogba specifically we added to the "open slot". Where is does matter is, in subsequent seasons, when it comes to letting homegrown players exit. If, next summer, we looked to offload Clichy then Pogba being homegrown would make that a far easier thing to do (as we'd still be able to name 4 homegrown players), whereas if Pogba isn't homegrown then we'd only have 3 left at the club once Clichy left (Hart, Delph and Sterling) so we'd need to address the homegrown quota again.

I was under the impression that Pogba wasn't at United long enough to qualify as homegrown (albeit he missed out by a matter of days).
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Thanks, I think there's only George thinks he might be home grown anyway.
 
Matty said:
Not really, whether he's homegrown, or not, we'd need to add someone to one of the 17 "open" slots. The only difference would be, if he was homegrown, we'd name any one of 5 players (Hart, Clichy, Sterling, Delph or Pogba) to the "open slot" position, whereas if he's not homegrown it would be Pogba specifically we added to the "open slot". Where is does matter is, in subsequent seasons, when it comes to letting homegrown players exit. If, next summer, we looked to offload Clichy then Pogba being homegrown would make that a far easier thing to do (as we'd still be able to name 4 homegrown players), whereas if Pogba isn't homegrown then we'd only have 3 left at the club once Clichy left (Hart, Delph and Sterling) so we'd need to address the homegrown quota again.

I was under the impression that Pogba wasn't at United long enough to qualify as homegrown (albeit he missed out by a matter of days).
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No he's right, it matters that it doesn't matter.
 
Matty said:
Not really, whether he's homegrown, or not, we'd need to add someone to one of the 17 "open" slots. The only difference would be, if he was homegrown, we'd name any one of 5 players (Hart, Clichy, Sterling, Delph or Pogba) to the "open slot" position, whereas if he's not homegrown it would be Pogba specifically we added to the "open slot". Where is does matter is, in subsequent seasons, when it comes to letting homegrown players exit. If, next summer, we looked to offload Clichy then Pogba being homegrown would make that a far easier thing to do (as we'd still be able to name 4 homegrown players), whereas if Pogba isn't homegrown then we'd only have 3 left at the club once Clichy left (Hart, Delph and Sterling) so we'd need to address the homegrown quota again.

I was under the impression that Pogba wasn't at United long enough to qualify as homegrown (albeit he missed out by a matter of days).
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I'd say it would make a difference. We could sack off Clichy now and bring in a foreign left back. :)
 
cleavers said:
Thanks, I think there's only George thinks he might be home grown anyway.
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Pogba became a Manchester United player on October 7, 2009. He signed for Juventus on July 3, 2012. Premier League rules state that to qualify as home grown, a player must have spent three entire seasons or 36 months with an English club prior to his 21st birthday or the end of the season in which he turns 21.
Pogba didn't complete 3 entire seasons (having joined after the 2009/2010 season had begun) and only stayed at United for 33 months, not 36, so he doesn't qualify as homegrown. Bizarrely Pogba doesn't qualify as homegrown in ANY country as, between the ages of 16 and 21 he didn't spend 3 seasons, or 36 months , in any 1 country. He spread his time between France, England, and Italy.
 
Matty said:
Pogba became a Manchester United player on October 7, 2009. He signed for Juventus on July 3, 2012. Premier League rules state that to qualify as home grown, a player must have spent three entire seasons or 36 months with an English club prior to his 21st birthday or the end of the season in which he turns 21.

Pogba didn't complete 3 entire seasons (having joined after the 2009/2010 season had begun, and only stayed at United for 33 months, not 36, so he doesn't qualify as homegrown. Bizarrely Pogba doesn't qualify as homegrown in ANY country as, between the ages of 16 and 21 he didn't spend 3 seasons, or 36 months , in any 1 country. He spread his time between France, England, and Italy.
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Aren't the rags disputing the signing date though? IIRC they're claiming that they signed him from Havre on 01/07/2009 and a legal wrangle with Havre stopped the transfer from being confirmed by FIFA until October 7th.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Aren't the rags disputing the signing date though? IIRC they're claiming that they signed him from Havre on 01/07/2009 and a legal wrangle with Havre stopped the transfer from being confirmed by FIFA until October 7th.
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Hadn't heard that to be honest. Why are United bothered? This doesn't really benefit them at this stage, unless they believe, in the future, Pogba could become a United player once more (and a club trained one at that). All this would do, surely, would make Pogba a more attractive purchase for City, or Chelsea, and affect United's title ambitions?

If it turned out that 01/07/2009 is the official signing date then Pogba WOULD be classed as homegrown, however that's not the generally accepted signing date, and unless United win some kind of appeal, it won't become the official signing date.
 
Matty said:
Hadn't heard that to be honest. Why are United bothered? This doesn't really benefit them at this stage, unless they believe, in the future, Pogba could become a United player once more (and a club trained one at that). All this would do, surely, would make Pogba a more attractive purchase for City, or Chelsea, and affect United's title ambitions?

If it turned out that 01/07/2009 is the official signing date then Pogba WOULD be classed as homegrown, however that's not the generally accepted signing date, and unless United win some kind of appeal, it won't become the official signing date.
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They're looking for a cut of any transfer fee from Juve under the development rules apparently.
 
aguero93:20 said:
They're looking for a cut of any transfer fee from Juve under the development rules apparently.
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Should have realised it was a money grab, it's United after all!

This is something that City could do with knowing the outcome from sooner rather than later, Pogba being, officially, classed as homegrown, would be a Godsend, and make adding him to the squad an absolute priority. Could you imagine, a 22 year old Pogba, who filled one of the tricky homegrown squad slots, allowing us to add another "foreign" player without worrying?
 
Matty said:
Should have realised it was a money grab, it's United after all!

This is something that City could do with knowing the outcome from sooner rather than later, Pogba being, officially, classed as homegrown, would be a Godsend, and make adding him to the squad an absolute priority. Could you imagine, a 22 year old Pogba, who filled one of the tricky homegrown squad slots, allowing us to add another "foreign2 player without worrying?
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Bye Bye Clichy >:)
 
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