Homophobia in football

[halfcenturyup]

If football were to take a stand against domestic violence, rather than label it a stand against misogyny, I think it would have traction.

I disagree that.....



It is undeniable that in poll after poll, throughout the west and North America, support for gay organisations and the rights they have fought for have fallen, I believe this is the first time this has happened since the 80s and AIDS.

Something else is going on here.

I would imagine it's over-exposure of the issue. Or over-politicisation. Most people, I think, are accepting of different sexual orientations, especially amongst the young. There will inevitably be a generational change towards more acceptance as older people, with possibly older feelings, pass away and are replaced by the younger generation. But nobody, young or old, likes being continually told what to think.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

I would imagine it's over-exposure of the issue. Or over-politicisation. Most people, I think, are accepting of different sexual orientations, especially amongst the young. There will inevitably be a generational change towards more acceptance as older people, with possibly older feelings, pass away and are replaced by the younger generation. But nobody, young or old, likes being continually told what to think.

This.

It is why BLM was/is a very worthy cause with a unfathomably idiotic name.

It’s also why it was inevitable that Harris lost the election.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I would imagine it's over-exposure of the issue. Or over-politicisation. Most people, I think, are accepting of different sexual orientations, especially amongst the young. There will inevitably be a generational change towards more acceptance as older people, with possibly older feelings, pass away and are replaced by the younger generation. But nobody, young or old, likes being continually told what to think.

You're right.

Being constantly told what to think, is the deliberate pursuit of what the right wing call the hive mind.

The hive mind is the creation and insistence of uncritical conformity around certain issues, that tolerates no deviation of thought, no debate, no dissent.

To disagree is not a matter of holding a differing viewpoint, it is hateful, and those that do hold these heretical views are condemned, often in the most hysterical ways.

The off shoot of this Orwellian madness is the proliferation of non crime hate incidents in the UK.

It's Thoughtcrime.

Of course the coppers don't see it that way, they see it as policing the roots of the Pyramid of Hate....

The Pyramid of Hate contains five levels. These levels begin with a mental bias and show the subsequent steps towards violence and genocide. These steps, in order, are bias, individual acts of prejudice, discrimination, violence, and genocide.

The main political parties have allowed this situation to develop for different reasons, the Tories because they've lost control of the public sphere and never much cared anyway, they lost it long ago. Liberal institutions such as universities, the NHS, even the College of Policing don't look to the right for their inspiration.

And the Labour party, for the most part, agrees with this doctrine.

The UK establishment has the same problem you see everywhere in the western world. The Church, the right wing media, the judiciary, the BBC, used to dictate the parameters of acceptable thought, at least for the middle classes, the masses didn't matter. Now with their decline the task has fallen to sport (to promote the "correct" view) manufactured pop stars (mostly promote the "correct" view) and social media influencers (they're problematical).

 

[Crooked_rain]

Yes, Thailand is a little strange in that it has still, by and large, a very conservative population, but is very liberal on matters of sexual orientation. Maybe it's a Buddhist thing. On the whole, I approve of Buddhism.

Anyway, K-pop. You will presumably know more about this than I do, but I don't have a lot of time about for how it appears to me it is run. They take young kids aged 12-13, give them contracts which are tantamount to slave contracts, make them live together, monitor them 24/7, feed them as they see fit, over-work them, sexualise them, deprive them of a childhood and, as they get older either discard them before they are 20 into a world they are totally unprepared for (how many have committed suicide?), or give them new contracts which forbid any relationships, homosexual or not, and invent stories of relationships that sell to a particular demographic, completely controlling individual endorsements and all for little reward (at the beginning certainly) even making them reimburse costs of training since they started. The political aspect I don't like, either. K-pop as a political tool for portraying a mythical impression of Korean culture, leading to interference, misogyny and xenophobia in line with actual Korean politics and culture.

Sorry for that. You can tell me in DM where I am wrong. I don't suppose anyone else is interested :)

What is it you do in the music business there?

That's pretty much on the money regarding how most k-pop is.

There's a few large entertainment companies that monopolise it and essentially created these K-pop factories/schools where they pretty much do all those things you listed. And the reality is most aren't uniquely talented. The pop groups probably could've had some different members from the start and achieved similar success. A lot of it is just great marketing.

I guess you could liken it to an extreme version of an academy at a football club. The kids are there and in touching distance of success and many don't quite make the grade but in the K-Pop case, they've gone through some rather strict process, so it hits very hard if it doesn't work out. Plus I think people in Korean culture feel a lot of pressure to be successful in whatever they do, more than most places I've been to.


I write and produce here but not so much bubblegum k-pop. I'm working with more pop/rock artists that an entertainment company wants to develop.

I don't like the way it's ran here, especially for the kpop idol groups, but the music industry anywhere is a bit cutthroat and always has been.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

The mother of a friend of ours is divorced, in her sixties and has no interest in getting re-married. She just pays for sex with a young guy whenever she wants it.

Wayne from Plymouth asks if he can he have your mates mother’s number please