How can this be offside

[fulabeer]

Chippy_boy
I've managed to find an image of what I was unsure of, and you are right.
Even after you have passed the last defender, and only have the goalie to beat, you cannot pass to another of your teammates if he is forward of the front of the ball.
The front of the ball becomes the new offside line. Any teammate ahead (other than his arms) of this line is offside if in active play. (or interfering etc)

This image shows the (white) ball creating the new offside line. The last defender is now irrelevant. The front of the ball is all that matters.
The blue player can pass back or level to the other blue player who is also ahead of the last defender. If he was ahead of the new offside line, he would be offside when the ball is played to him. (or he interfered with play etc)
You can play the ball forward, to allow an onside team mate to then run on to the ball.

That's cleared that up, and hopefully stop me making an arse of myself in the future!

 

[BulgarianPride]

offside end off

Since the ball are in front off the last Ajax player it's impossible to be offside.

No, that's not right.

A player is in an offside position if he is nearer to the goal line than both the ball and the 2nd last opponent.

Clearly Kolorov is nearer to the goal line than the 2nd last opponent. What would keep him onside is if he is level with the ball. As soon as he strays nearer to the goal line than the ball, he is in an offside position.

There could have been 10 City players licking the goalline, it would still be onside since the player who controls the ball and later pass to Kolorov are in front of the last ajax defender and so are the ball...

You do not understand the offside rule.

That's right, but at the moment of the pass ( ball leaving Dzeko ) is Kolarov offside? From the image i can't tell where the ball is, but it looks like Dzeko has passed the ball, based on his pose, and that there is no ball near his feet. ( can't quite separate ball or Kolarov's elbow )

Maybe i miss understood. Are you saying if the ball is already passed ( backwards or even) and a player receiving it steps in front of the ball he is then offside?

 

[andrewmswift]

the thing about the picture being shown is that it's impossible to tell whether dzeko has already played the ball or not

 

[HellasLEAF]

3 - 2 City as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Maybe i miss understood. Are you saying if the ball is already passed ( backwards or even) and a player receiving it steps in front of the ball he is then offside?

No.

A player is in an offside position at any time when he is nearer to the goal line than the ball and the 2nd last opponent. In this regard, it does not matter who has the ball, or when it's kicked.

However, you are allowed to be in an offside position - that in itself is not an offence. An offence is only committed if you are in an offside position at the time the ball is kicked by your teammate. (And you are interfering with play or will gain advantage)

Regards whether Kolorov is committing an offside offence, we can't tell from those pictures because we can't see the ball so we can't see whether Dzeko has kicked it or not. What we can say is that he is - very slightly - in an offside position at the time of the photo.

 

[Chippy_boy]

the thing about the picture being shown is that it's impossible to tell whether dzeko has already played the ball or not

True.

Incidentally it's also debatable whether the green line is on the correct angle. If you look at it closely, it is not parallel to the mowing stripes. Interestingly, in the first picture, Kolorov does not appear offside, but in the 2nd one, he does, very very slightly.

I would not expect the green line to be perfectly parallel to the mowing strip, because of perspective. But still I am not convinced its properly aligned.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

A what?

Jeez, this is the second time in about a month someone's come back with this one. The last time they accused me of being a Yankee! I'm sure that place kicks are the proper name for a kick that's taken at the start of each half and after each goal - only from the centre spot. Unless, I have arrived at my dotage! I am going to look up my ancient Laws of the Game!

It's a kick-off, no such term as Place kick in Association Football.

Rules of 1858

The first written set of laws were produced at the clubs first annual general meeting on 21 October 1858. The original draft was amended at the same meeting to produce the following set of rules for the 1858–59 season.[12]
The kick off from the middle must be a place kick.
Kick out must not be more than 25 yards [23 m] out of goal.
A fair catch is a catch from any player provided the ball has not touched the ground or has not been thrown from touch and is entitled to a free-kick.
Charging is fair in case of a place kick (with the exception of a kick off as soon as a player offers to kick) but he may always draw back unless he has actually touched the ball with his foot.
Pushing with the hands is allowed but no hacking or tripping up is fair under any circumstances whatever.
No player may be held or pulled over.
It is not lawful to take the ball off the ground (except in touch) for any purpose whatever.
The ball may be pushed or hit with the hand, but holding the ball except in the case of a free kick is altogether disallowed.
A goal must be kicked but not from touch nor by a free kick from a catch.
A ball in touch is dead, consequently the side that touches it down must bring it to the edge of the touch and throw it straight out from touch.
Each player must provide himself with a red and dark blue flannel cap, one colour to be worn by each side.

Well, there yer go, BlueBee 2. A centre kick is a place kick. Fucking knew I wasn't losing me marbles! It used to be a trick question when yer sat yer test for Grade III of the Ref's test in the 60's. Old Walter from Ratcliffe ne'er caught me out with "From which point would you take a place kick?". He wanted everyone to tell him from wherever yer took a corner, goal kick free kick, penalty. But no, only the centre spot was reserved for a place kick.

Incidentally, Blatter and Co have fucked up the rules since 1858 but a place kick lives!

It's interesting, too, that the law about a player not being held or pulled over seems to have vanished from the field of play. Someone needs to educate Mario!

 

[kass_best]

Seems like I´m being wrong here...

 

[Vic]

It's quite depressing really that so few people still understand offside. E.g. (in an otherwise decent stab at it!) "Even after you have passed the last defender, and only have the goalie to beat, you cannot pass forward to another of your teammates." Yes, you can - but not if the teammate is in front of you. In other words, so long as the teammate is not in front of the ball when the ball is played, the ball can be played forward for him to run on to. Conversely, if the teammate is in front of you (in an offside position) you could pass the ball back, and if he runs back from an offside position and plays it, he's offside even though the ball went backwards and he may now have several defenders between him and goal.

Try the laws <a class="postlink" href="http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affeder ... 2012_e.pdf</a> and the diagrams from p. 106 on.

 

[Chippy_boy]

To be honest Vic I think the only thing that some people were confused about is that once play has passed the 2nd last opponent aka "the last man", it does not mean you can do what you like.

The stuff about not being able to pass to someone further forward than the ball is offside 101 and I am sure everyone gets that.