How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[hilts]

No it isnt pedantry it's 2 very different things that was used dishonestly in the campaign to convince voters people could just come here when they want and claim benefits ,use services.Saying the distinction isn't relevant is to put it mildly ,wrong.

It's not relevant to me I'm not talking about what idiots knew or didn't years ago.

 

[Palerider]

Never took you for an anarchist.

I'd love to be thought of as a rebellious anarchist pirate or something alike but the truth is I just do not like being told what to do by anyone. So probably stubborn and arrogant!

 

[blueparrot]

It's not relevant to me I'm not talking about what idiots knew or didn't years ago.

No we are talking about why the UK is damaged by having to abide by the rules of the EU now we have left. Why you've gone off on this tangent about freedom of movement and I've followed not sure. The fact remains until we re align ourselves with the EU and it's rules, which we will and have started to do, then UK businesses will suffer.

 

[Vic]

It still hasn't.

There was no post-Brexit strategy beyond "avoid accepting any changes that will show it up as the shit show that it is".


We still don't have a veterinary agreement with the EU which hampers agri-food exports and certification ( the most often given reason is that we had a lot of vets working here from EU countries who just went home when we signalled they were not welcome here ) it would also help with regulatory alignment.

Tomorrow is the 4th anniversary of us leaving the EU - 3 1/2 of those years were under the same Tory Govt that took us out 8 years ago. You'd think they would have sorted something out by now. Its sorting it out that is behind Starmer's "closer relationship with the EU" mission.

Brexit is not done – and the UK needs to rethink how it manages its relationship with the EU | Institute for Government

Whoever wins the election will face seven key Brexit questions.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

90% of vets working in abattoirs were from the EU, so there's now a shortage. It was always the cheap option but it's a circular argument - lack of training for UK vets, but most vets would want more variety, and abattoir work seen as less skilled.

Meat trade demands better conditions for abattoir vets - Farmers Weekly

The UK government is being misled about the real reasons behind an alleged shortage of abattoir vets, according to the Association of Independent Meat

www.fwi.co.uk

 

[Palerider]

The idea of a “United States of Europe” has roots in various historical proposals for European unity.

Early concepts emerged from thinkers like William Penn in the late 17th century and Charles de Saint-Pierre in the early 18th century, advocating for cooperation among European states to prevent wars. Victor Hugo famously popularized the term in 1849, envisioning a European federation akin to the United States of America.

Post-World War II, Winston Churchill revived this concept in 1946, emphasizing unity as essential for peace and stability in Europe.

Therefore, the 21st century concept of the EU was long in the making, and has served its primary purpose. However, with the advent of unforeseen unfettered cross-border migration, it was only a matter of time before an economic crisis created an “others” mentality and for nationalism, no matter how watered down to make it palatable, to rear its ugly head.

Brexit was always going to be a political hot potato, by design, because change is often difficult, so one side had to make it a “hot” issue to achieve that change.

Now that Brexit has been realized, it feels like some people need to move on and figure out a way for it to work best with our allies and trading partners, be they close neighbors or not. It seems like close neighbor trading partners help keep costs down, but if it comes with vindictive caveats, then any nation is bound to reject such caveats and move forward with others, even at some cost.

No country should have to genuflect for another, especially a supposed ally nation or group of nations.

Good post. I think everyone can see the benefits of a trading relationship with mainland Europe but the EU has turned into a political entity. Once you make it about politics then you are bound to hit trouble. Most of us want growth (except climate change zealots - Why no Climate related thread everyone?) Most of us love money, most of us love capitalism but if the price is having to follow someone elses political idealism then 'no thanks'. Trade yes, Politics no.

 

[hilts]

No we are talking about why the UK is damaged by having to abide by the rules of the EU now we have left. Why you've gone off on this tangent about freedom of movement and I've followed not sure. The fact remains until we re align ourselves with the EU and it's rules, which we will and have started to do, then UK businesses will suffer.

You think uk business may suffer because of Brexit? One of you may have said so earlier.

I'm glad you have dispelled my theory that this is a thread for gdp fannies only:-)

 

[hilts]

Good post. I think everyone can see the benefits of a trading relationship with mainland Europe but the EU has turned into a political entity. Once you make it about politics then you are bound to hit trouble. Most of us want growth (except climate change zealots - Why no Climate related thread everyone?) Most of us love money, most of us love capitalism but if the price is having to follow someone elses political idealism then 'no thanks'. Trade yes, Politics no.

There is a climate thread but not enough people are interested in it because humans are generally happy to fuck whatever they want to make their own materialistic lives continue unabated.

People are cunts and like getting what they want so at least both threads would have that in common I suppose.

 

[blueparrot]

You think uk business may suffer because of Brexit? One of you may have said so earlier.

I'm glad you have dispelled my theory that this is a thread for gdp fannies only:-)

Nope, it's for anyone running a small or family business trading with the EU , it's for any young musicians starting out or established ones for that matter, it's for much of the hospitality sector, it's for health services.Sectors you obviously have little knowledge of, nor how they have been impacted.

 

[Vic]

Who said they were set in stone,they change all the time,there were even opt outs. They were there for the benefit of members and associate members. Not for non members.

And the problem is if we don't follow the rules then we don't export - and the environment suffers:

Brexit blamed as sewage hits dozens of beaches in England and Wales

BREXIT was blamed for large amounts of sewage dumped by water companies into the sea and polluting beaches in England and Wales after days of heavy rain.

www.express.co.uk

 

[hilts]

Nope, it's for anyone running a small or family business trading with the EU , it's for any young musicians starting out or established ones for that matter, it's for much of the hospitality sector, it's for health services.Sectors you obviously have little knowledge of, nor how they have been impacted.

What is the name of the thread?

Small business add to GDP btw as do musicians. So yep GDP fannies would cover it.

You are all just repeating the sane stuff day in day out, anything else if it exists is just lost.

I think we all got the point that remainers interested in money think brexit is bad. It really didn't need over a thousand pages.

Why not just change the name of the thread to boo hoo for me?

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