How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[inbetween]

Yes, it was! The EU was conceived as a way to prevent war (political alignment) through economics and trade.

"[t]he coming together of the countries of Europe requires the elimination of the age-old opposition of France and Germany ... the solidarity in production thus established will make it plain that any war between France and Germany becomes not merely unthinkable, but materially impossible."

Schuman declaration, generally regarded as the founding text of the EU.

1950.

Schuman Declaration - Wikipedia

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Did this truly mean a £1tn budget political behemoth with its own lawmaking bodies, courts, parliament, maybe one day its own military, its own anthem and currency?

The main reason why peace exists in Europe is not because of the common market or EU coming to exist post-WW2. It is because the main threat posed to Europe was the USSR/Russia and that threat has always been kept at arms length by the creation of NATO and expansion of nuclear weapons.

Again, I am not against the EU, I am just skeptical of its ability to do exactly what it was created for and if it can't do that then who can even question it? The proof is in the pudding because despite it being a trading bloc its economic and monetary policy is a disaster and has been for 20 years.

The European economy is now dying in the midst of German economic failure so what is the real benefit of showing solidarity or being further integrated into misery and demise? Or is the argument really that we're always going to be part of Europe else sink on our own ship so let's jump onto their ship and sink with them instead?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I was genuinely wondering how the Pro EU group were gonna proceed following a change of government and how they will sell it to the naysayers.

I realise some people are affected, but for the vast majority there doesn't really seem to be any positive or negative effects from Brexit. I've personally hardly noticed it's happened.

 

[hilts]

I realise some people are affected, but for the vast majority there doesn't really seem to be any positive or negative effects from Brexit. I've personally hardly noticed it's happened.

Same here fella but Starmer has said closer ties and I haven't seen much on what that will be or how will it be sold. Unfortunately whatever it is there will be Unfortunately much more division in the country.
Not sure many have the appetite for it.

 

[hampshireblue]

It's really not but nice try.

And your assessment is?

 

[blueinsa]

I realise some people are affected, but for the vast majority there doesn't really seem to be any positive or negative effects from Brexit. I've personally hardly noticed it's happened.

Agree.

Personally it’s had little to no affect and Covid, Ukraine etc has had far more negative impact.

Work is an issue and dealing with suppliers in Europe has become far harder than it was or should be, although not impossible as some would want you to believe on here.

I regret my vote for that reason and the fact it caused so much division amongst us but I still hold our politicians responsible and believe we should and could have had a far better outcome had we had better leadership.

The future is pretty clear. We are not going back in so focus should be on making the best of it and not harping back 10 years with the same old argument imo.

 

[blueparrot]

I realise some people are affected, but for the vast majority there doesn't really seem to be any positive or negative effects from Brexit. I've personally hardly noticed it's happened.

Think it’s a lot more than some, but to say how many would be a complete guess, so I’ll guess Lets’s pick a number from the air though just going off people I’m friendly with, 20%. So going with 20% are suffering or having difficulties from the previous governments agreement ,and as far as I know nobody has gained anything positive from it, though suppose some might have,.Surely improving the agreement with closer EU co operation and alignment has to be a good thing. At least this government seem to agree.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I'm not actually sure I've ever seen it. The premise put me off originally.

I’d say it’s definitely worth a watch.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I realise some people are affected, but for the vast majority there doesn't really seem to be any positive or negative effects from Brexit. I've personally hardly noticed it's happened.

It now takes twice as long for my B&B Italia furniture to arrive.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

The main reason why peace exists in Europe is not because of the common market or EU coming to exist post-WW2. It is because the main threat posed to Europe was the USSR/Russia and that threat has always been kept at arms length by the creation of NATO and expansion of nuclear weapons.

It's an opinion. Both are very relevant IMV. But regardless, the reason the EU was set up was for peace.

The European economy is now dying in the midst of German economic failure so what is the real benefit of showing solidarity or being further integrated into misery and demise? Or is the argument really that we're always going to be part of Europe else sink on our own ship so let's jump onto their ship and sink with them instead?

Ridiculous hyperbole apart, we don't have a choice. We are geographically and economically part of Europe regardless of rhetoric. Deliberately driving a trade and political wedge between us exacerbates the effects of their "failure", it does not compensate for it.

 

[hilts]

And your assessment is?

I don't frequent the thread much but when I have and in the real world outside I have yet to see anyone mention roaring success, in fact roaring success is not used much at all at the moment.
The thread is mainly inhabited by posters forever quoting economic news. I'm not sure who their audience is tbh.