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How do we resolve the Brexit mess?
- Thread starter Magicpole
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Gabriel
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Heard people on Question Time last night complaining about how bad everything is yet they can’t go back.They couldn’t even countenance the idea of debating the issue. That is what I find so fascinating: the idea of debate is now psychologically scarier to them than the very real economic and social pain they are enduring. That is desperate.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Brexit in a nutshell.Don't care about you or your life. I didn't say it has improved my life.
malg
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Yep, you tell yourself that.Brexit in a nutshell.
Alan Harper's Tash
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Might pop you on ignore for the night. You’re posting like you’re 6 Stella’s in.Yep, you tell yourself that.
Mr Kobayashi
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Might pop you on ignore for the night. You’re posting like you’re 6 Stella’s in.
I've sent him a pm with directions to the nearest multistorey car park and the number of local taxi firm. I don't give a shit about his life either.
gordondaviesmoustache
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It’s pretty aligned with what I had in mind when I vioted to remain, should we collectively vote to leave, partly because I didn’t truet our political class to implement it with any degree of competence. And I’m not claiming any particular powers of prescience, I’m frequently bad at predicting events, I just applied a bit of logic and common sense, which seemed to depart so many other, otherwise rational people around the subject of the EU.No, it isn't a winner, I would imagine it is so far away from what people actually had in mind when they voted to leave.
Fancy trusting 'honest' politicians to implement such a complex scenario and that goes for all, leavers, remainers and the EU.
This was all inevitable imo, certainly through the prism of a hard Brexit.
Why on earth did you think unravelling fifty years of bilateral international trading and political ties was going to be any thing other than extremely painful. It simply doesn’t stand to reason to assume otherwise. In fact, to me, it borders on an insane and utterly reckless analysis of the situation. Its fucking nuts to think this was going to be anything other than a horrible process.
And it’s going to get far worse.
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Was there a box marked 'hard brexit' on the polling paper?It’s pretty aligned with what I had in mind when I vioted to remain, should we collectively vote to leave, partly because I didn’t truet our political class to implement it with any degree of competence. And I’m not claiming any particular powers of prescience, I’m frequently bad at predicting events, I just applied a bit of logic and common sense, which seemed to depart so many other, otherwise rational people around the subject of the EU.
This was all inevitable imo, certainly through the prism of a hard Brexit.
Why on earth did you think unravelling fifty years of bilateral international trading and political ties was going to be any thing other than hugely complex and extremely painful. It simply doesn’t stand to reason to assume otherwise. In fact, to me, it borders on an insane and utterly reckless analysis of the situation. Its fucking nuts to think this was going to be anything other than a horrible process.
And it’s going to get far worse.
I also didn't want to see large swathes of hard-working foreign folk booted out of the country or allowed in to work but I wanted better border security, like Australia or even the US both made up of a lot of foreign nationalities, a sensible approach was required not this, you can't come in because you only pick fruit and that test is also joke, I'm sure I'd fail it lol
Getting screamed down as a racist by remainers was also a great highlight.
I think May screwed the deal but then she was a remainer originally if memory serves, her paper to get past parliament with the remainers voting things down and demanding changes left us in this sorry mess.
It could have been dealt with a lot better than it was, like I said previously all sides are to blame for this utter mess.
Northern Ireland is going to be a huge issue, I'd imagine there will be a huge push to make it 'one' soon enough.
gordondaviesmoustache
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No, there wasn’t a hard Brexit option. It was a binary choice, which was part of the problem imo, given the complexity of the matter being voted upon.Was there a box marked 'hard brexit' on the polling paper?
I also didn't want to see large swathes of hard-working foreign folk booted out of the country but I wanted better border security, like Australia or even the US both made up of a lot of foreign nationalities.
Getting screamed down as a racist by remainers was also a great highlight.
I think May screwed the deal but then she was a remainer originally if memory serves, her paper to get past parliament with the remainers voting things down and demanding changes left us in this sorry mess.
It could have been dealt with a lot better than it was, like I said previously all sides are to blame for this utter mess.
Northern Ireland is going to be a huge issue, I'd imagine there will be a huge push to make it 'one' soon enough.
Blaming the current shit show on the parliamentary votes around May’s proposal(s) is completely wide of the mark, as it presupposes that it would otherwise have gone relatively smoothly. This appears to underline the fact that you fail to appreciate what a monumental undertaking uncoupling from the EU was, whatever particular twist and turns the narrative took following the vote to leave. The story board might have been different, but the end result would have been the same.
The Northern Ireland situation is, upon reflection, once again, another inevitable consequence of all this, which no one, myself included, appeared to properly applied their minds to - but of course it was going to significantly complicate things further. How could it not?
Cheers.No, there wasn’t a hard Brexit option. It was a binary choice, which was part of the problem imo, given the complexity of the matter being voted upon.
Blaming the current shit show on the parliamentary votes around May’s proposal(s) is completely wide of the mark, as it presupposes that it would otherwise have gone relatively smoothly. This appears to underline the fact that you fail to appreciate what a monumental undertaking uncoupling from the EU was, whatever particular twist and turns the narrative took following the vote to leave. The story board might have been different, but the end result would have been the same.
The Northern Ireland situation is, upon reflectio, once again, another inevitable consequence of all this, which no one, myself included, appeared to properly applied theur minds to - but of course it was going to significantly complicate things further. How could it not?
I'm off to bed to ruminate on my own stupidity.