How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Mr Kobayashi said:
Where are the cheaper clothes and energy we were promised?
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Not to mention all the incredibly lucrative trade deals we were going to sign with other countries who were beating our door down.
The money for the NHS etc….. we could produce an endless list of brexit damage to the country, and a very short (or non-existent) list of benefits of same.
Almost with every passing day, ‘project fear’ become reality.
 
jrb said:
I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.
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which is a very selective and blinkered representation of the situation.

Those predictions were predicated on the idea that we would leave on a No Deal Brexit. To do so would have caused major issues from day one - however a very last minute WA was signed off with the GFA within it.

Our Govt has failed to implement most of the checks they agreed to in the WA and want to tear the GFA up. What the former means is that there is unfettered access to our markets to goods from the EU - no checks being made all tariff free. Every time they hit the deadline to implement these the Govt decides not to do so and rolls over to a new target date to implementation. The EU are pissing themselves laughing making hay whilst the sun shines and undercutting a lot of our home grown businesses in the process. Meanwhile our exports are subject to checks so can't happen ( bi-valve molluscs for example ) - perishables are just about on non-starter due to delays ( see Cheshire cheese co's exports ) - the rest are delayed in long queue's at Dover. If we implement the checks we signed up to it will require significant investment and recruitment which the Govt can't/won't make.

If we rip the GFA up then the impact of disregarding International law to which we are a signatory will have huge effects on the UK and its International standing. If we leave the ECHR same but more so - its through those mechanisms that people/goods/planes etc are able to move about - it will be able to continue but only when each part of each tiny aspect is renegotiated with each signatory to the treaties we leave - that will take decades.

Companies are closing are relocating to the EU taking jobs and economic activity with them. The UK is slowing down - see all recent reports from all sorts of bodies telling you how bad things are as a result of Brexit and how bad they are going to get.

As for jobs the biggest issue there was Covid - understandably many EU workers went home to be near families and whilst they were away Patel steered through legislation to take back control of our borders. The result is the Portuguese hospital cleaner you may need is missing or the Italian mechanic can't come back - meanwhile people cross the channel in boats in record numbers. So the result is we are about 1 million people shy of those that we seem to need to achieve full employment - however as utility costs rise - as the pound dips and import costs rise and a poorer population spend less the number of vacancies will fall to the point where we don't have 1 million vacancies. We may have a few employers who would like a bit of cheaper labour though to boost profits.

Despite what you may believe Brexit wasn't done - it can't be done - you agreed to buy a lie from a group of chancers who once they "won" wanted to do something else but have never told you what and why.
 
bluethrunthru said:
which is a very selective and blinkered representation of the situation.

Those predictions were predicated on the idea that we would leave on a No Deal Brexit. To do so would have caused major issues from day one - however a very last minute WA was signed off with the GFA within it.

Our Govt has failed to implement most of the checks they agreed to in the WA and want to tear the GFA up. What the former means is that there is unfettered access to our markets to goods from the EU - no checks being made all tariff free. Every time they hit the deadline to implement these the Govt decides not to do so and rolls over to a new target date to implementation. The EU are pissing themselves laughing making hay whilst the sun shines and undercutting a lot of our home grown businesses in the process. Meanwhile our exports are subject to checks so can't happen ( bi-valve molluscs for example ) - perishables are just about on non-starter due to delays ( see Cheshire cheese co's exports ) - the rest are delayed in long queue's at Dover. If we implement the checks we signed up to it will require significant investment and recruitment which the Govt can't/won't make.

If we rip the GFA up then the impact of disregarding International law to which we are a signatory will have huge effects on the UK and its International standing. If we leave the ECHR same but more so - its through those mechanisms that people/goods/planes etc are able to move about - it will be able to continue but only when each part of each tiny aspect is renegotiated with each signatory to the treaties we leave - that will take decades.

Companies are closing are relocating to the EU taking jobs and economic activity with them. The UK is slowing down - see all recent reports from all sorts of bodies telling you how bad things are as a result of Brexit and how bad they are going to get.

As for jobs the biggest issue there was Covid - understandably many EU workers went home to be near families and whilst they were away Patel steered through legislation to take back control of our borders. The result is the Portuguese hospital cleaner you may need is missing or the Italian mechanic can't come back - meanwhile people cross the channel in boats in record numbers. So the result is we are about 1 million people shy of those that we seem to need to achieve full employment - however as utility costs rise - as the pound dips and import costs rise and a poorer population spend less the number of vacancies will fall to the point where we don't have 1 million vacancies. We may have a few employers who would like a bit of cheaper labour though to boost profits.

Despite what you may believe Brexit wasn't done - it can't be done - you agreed to buy a lie from a group of chancers who once they "won" wanted to do something else but have never told you what and why.
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But apart from that, what have the Treaty of Romans ever done for us?

The aqueduct?
 
bluethrunthru said:
which is a very selective and blinkered representation of the situation.

Those predictions were predicated on the idea that we would leave on a No Deal Brexit. To do so would have caused major issues from day one - however a very last minute WA was signed off with the GFA within it.

Our Govt has failed to implement most of the checks they agreed to in the WA and want to tear the GFA up. What the former means is that there is unfettered access to our markets to goods from the EU - no checks being made all tariff free. Every time they hit the deadline to implement these the Govt decides not to do so and rolls over to a new target date to implementation. The EU are pissing themselves laughing making hay whilst the sun shines and undercutting a lot of our home grown businesses in the process. Meanwhile our exports are subject to checks so can't happen ( bi-valve molluscs for example ) - perishables are just about on non-starter due to delays ( see Cheshire cheese co's exports ) - the rest are delayed in long queue's at Dover. If we implement the checks we signed up to it will require significant investment and recruitment which the Govt can't/won't make.

If we rip the GFA up then the impact of disregarding International law to which we are a signatory will have huge effects on the UK and its International standing. If we leave the ECHR same but more so - its through those mechanisms that people/goods/planes etc are able to move about - it will be able to continue but only when each part of each tiny aspect is renegotiated with each signatory to the treaties we leave - that will take decades.

Companies are closing are relocating to the EU taking jobs and economic activity with them. The UK is slowing down - see all recent reports from all sorts of bodies telling you how bad things are as a result of Brexit and how bad they are going to get.

As for jobs the biggest issue there was Covid - understandably many EU workers went home to be near families and whilst they were away Patel steered through legislation to take back control of our borders. The result is the Portuguese hospital cleaner you may need is missing or the Italian mechanic can't come back - meanwhile people cross the channel in boats in record numbers. So the result is we are about 1 million people shy of those that we seem to need to achieve full employment - however as utility costs rise - as the pound dips and import costs rise and a poorer population spend less the number of vacancies will fall to the point where we don't have 1 million vacancies. We may have a few employers who would like a bit of cheaper labour though to boost profits.

Despite what you may believe Brexit wasn't done - it can't be done - you agreed to buy a lie from a group of chancers who once they "won" wanted to do something else but have never told you what and why.
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I'm looking forward to the rebuttal. I'm confident it will be comprehensive and fact based eh @jrb
 
jrb said:
I recall 'Operation Fear' by Remainers before the referendum and after the referendum result stating the British economy would collapse within weeks of the UK leaving the EU, there would be 100,000's of job loses, financial instituions and companies would leave the UK en-masse and move to Europe, companies wouldn't invest in the UK anymore, the employment market, housing market, etc would all collpase, the UK would come to grinding halt.
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What a fucking stupid thing to say. Operation reality has fucked us all.
you actually think twats like ReesMogg and Farage and Johnson etc etc wanted what’s best for you? It was a coup, a power grab exploiting the fears of ordinary people. Oh and I guess you are delighted our rivers and coastline is being devastated by raw sewage and the EU are now going to sue for damages. Brexit is a con, you were conned.
 
East Level 2 said:
No!! They are exporting worldwide now. - Yeah, I know the joke thread is elsewhere.
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We’ve just done a deal to sell fridges to Eskimo Jo and co.
but one which is true, there was a Brexit boast that we are selling papadum‘s to India. It would be funny if it was.
 
mat said:
inews.co.uk

Britons in Spain to protest over Brexit change to licence rules that has left them stranded

Brits in Spain are asking 'how is it fair that an 18-year-old British tourist can come over here and rent a car at an airport, but I cannot drive?'
inews.co.uk inews.co.uk


You voted for this Brexit Benefit...
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Another fine example of the intricacies and sheer complexity that are involved in membership of the EU and the lack of recognition of this by those who ‘knew what they were voting for’.
 
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