How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

gill_undrhill said:
Well, I suppose when I typed the quote I did so without mentioning the source because I have noticed on here that if you hint you read that paper (or the Daily Mail, or the Telegraph) you immediately get judged!

However, you asked me where I got it from, so I am not going to hide it.

For the record, I am in a state of total despair with this government. Probably from a different angle than most people on here*, but that is to be expected. I bet if records were to exist as to the age profiles of bluemoon members it would show most to be younger rather than older. You don’t get many pensioners chatting online about football or the latest Star Wars thing on Disney+ or videogames do you? It is a well known fact that most people when younger are for the left, anti-Brexit pro-Labour, whilst the older generations are more on the other side of the political divide including pro-Brexit. Analysis after the referendum certainly showed that. I not only remember when City were rubbish I am actually old enough to remember when they were great before they were rubbish!

Can I also state that I liked the headline and some of the stuff she wrote in the article, but even I was rolling my eyes at the last bit when she starts to go on about the Kalergi plan. I mean it might be happening, just because of globalisation and the way people are trying to move to where they think they can get a better life, but I doubt there is some secret plan driving it forward.

But I think this makes sense: “…it is unsustainable to think that Europe can solve this international crisis alone. With the birth rate spiralling globally, there will be no end in sight as millions and millions more people flee for a better life as the inevitable conflict for resources escalates.

Whilst Europe has done its best to cope, taking the bulk of African and Asian migration, there seems an unwillingness to tackle the root causes of the problem or the results of those problems politically.

As far as the UK is concerned, it is a very small island and cannot allow its borders to be continually breached by undocumented migrants from France most of whom are young men now staying in hotels at your expense. And where are the women and children?

One might also ask where is the Royal Navy, whose historic duty it is to protect our sea borders?

However, this current problem which is affecting this small nation so drastically both financially and socially, is a direct result of the Schengen Agreement and the disbanding of borders throughout Europe. Now anyone can enter the European land mass, travel straight to Calais and on to Dover. We are suffering because of the policies of the EU and their lack of vision and foresight.”

I know this will get me some ‘grief’ - gosh just acknowledging I read the Daily Express did that! but I hope this site is one for free speech (as long as it is not hate speech) and we can discuss the issue(s).

*P.S. When I say I despair at the ineffectiveness of this government, it is true, but some days I think: can they really be this bad? or are forces ranged against them - possibly even people who still feel aggrieved about what happened in 2016. People who prevent stuff getting done and block or delay at every opportunity out of spite and to ensure there is a change of leadership, after the next General Election.
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In the end you have to decide where you stand. Once you decide, the course of action flows from that....

https://www.intelligencesquared.com...en-of-the-world-you-are-a-citizen-of-nowhere/

"If You Believe You are a Citizen of the World, You are a Citizen of Nowhere"​


For some, being a citizen of the world is a badge of honour, not shame. But others feel the strongest sense of solidarity with those who share their history, language and common culture.

When Theresa May uttered these words at the Tory party conference in 2016, there was uproar. May was targeting the liberal establishment, who flit business class from Mayfair to Monaco, from Davos to Doha; those in positions of power, who, as May put it, ‘behave as though they have more in common with international elites than with the people down the road’.

But many people who don’t fit in this frequent flyer category felt under attack too. For this group, believing you are a citizen of the world is a badge of honour, not shame. The cosmopolitan impulse, they believe, isn’t about loyalty to any single community. On the contrary, you can be a citizen of your street, your city, your country and the entire globe. And in our interconnected world, those with a burning concern for global justice, for the environment, for the strife and carnage happening beyond our borders, see themselves as part of humanity at large – as citizens of the world.

But for a different group of people, May’s words resonated deeply. These are the people who feel genuinely rooted in their communities, who feel the strongest sense of solidarity with those who share their history, language and other elements of a common culture. These people often feel sneered at as nationalists or worse, as bigots, by the elites who do not understand their profound intuition that the nation state is the natural expression of group identity....



I found much of this excruciating to watch.
 
threespires said:
If @gill_undrhill goes to the music threads the fondness for lutes and doublets should put him right about the demographic :-)
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Yeah...

The 1894 lads.

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"Spent all my money on mead and City… wahooooooooo we’ll follow you everywhere!"
 
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threespires said:
Now it's all done electronically this sadly removes the window of opportunity for a coup d'etat by the younger brigades (i.e the 50-65ers).
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It does give us infants (35-50) the chance to act the bollocks for a little bit without getting a 'in my day' lecture though.
 
aguero93:20 said:
It does give us infants (35-50) the chance to act the bollocks for a little bit without getting a 'in my day' lecture though.
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'kinell are you telling me there are actual Millennials on here? Next thing you know they'll be threads for that hippity hoppity music and we'll have people asking who Derek Parlane is. Can't deal, I'm off for my nap.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Simple solution is to allow applications for asylum in France (already agreed by France) but the Tories wont... this coupled with the increased security at the ferry ports is what's driving the increase in small boats

We are also a signatory to the UN Refugee convention of 1951 (we helped draft it) which clearly states the rights of an asylum seeker

www.unhcr.org

Convention and Protocol Relating to the Status of Refugees | UNHCR UK

www.unhcr.org www.unhcr.org

If the Government really wanted change they should be looking to the UN for it ... but they're not are they?

IIRC the last major change we managed to get implemented was the UKs right to deport immigrants who committed an offence and sentenced to 12 months in jail (Thank the Labour party for that in 2007.... and yet the people still think that the Labour party is all for ''open borders'' and will let anyone in )
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Foreign criminals could be deported before the 2007 Act (after serving their sentence).
 
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