How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

hilts said:
I read the posts you try and rewrite whatever you want.
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So what happened to the Leave promise that we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?

Once that promise turned out to be worthless, trying to reverse the vote was a perfectly sensible aim.
 
blueinsa said:
Brexit was a huge mistake, one I’ve owned and admitted too but I find this statement a tad hypocritical I’m afraid given how the 48% demanded the wishes of the 52% just be ignored and the vote to leave overturned.

Had that happened any notion of harmony or compromise would have been entirely non existent and the damage far greater than anything leaving the EU imo.

To be fair, I know you was never one of those wanting that.
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The vast majority of remain voters never argued for the vote to be overturned. We argued that there should be a second referendum on any plan to leave, because when the vote was enacted there literally was no plan whatsoever. That has happened in many countries over the years and is totally democratic.

If leaving the EU when it was actually planned and the consequences laid out, and not just some abstract concept, was a good thing for the country then the second referendum would have gone the same way wouldn’t it?

In truth every single leaver from Dominic Cummins and Boris Johnson down to you and that clown with 1632 in his user name knew that you’d lose a second referendum once the lies were better exposed to you fought it like cat and dog.

Things couldn’t have been more damaging that the way things played out. Lots of us still have enormous anger at you all.
 
blueparrot said:
To be honest I personally don't feel any need to be a world power. Plenty of countries our size seem quite happy and comfortable just getiing on with their own business. Think people thinking we were or should be a world power is what led to Brexit in the first place.
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I agree. I think being a 'world power' is greatly overrated. Like an empire, it involves vast expenses and responsibilities without any worthwhile return except (possibly) an emotional one.

But what is worse is to pretend to be a world power when you haven't the resources to maintain it. This is like being the Duke of Devonshire but living in a council house. Amusing. Quirky. But ultimately futile when you're down the job centre with Bill Smith and Susan Jones.

Countries like that? Austria-Hungary pre-1914. Portugal, pre-1974. Both are much happier places now they're in line with reality.
 
Vic said:
So what happened to the Leave promise that we'd still be in a free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border?

Once that promise turned out to be worthless, trying to reverse the vote was a perfectly sensible aim.
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Which has nothing to do with what you said, that's some really bad deflection/strawman.
 
hilts said:
Which has nothing to do with what you said, that's some really bad deflection/strawman.
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No idea what you're on about. "Many remainers argued that the 52% should be ignored"?

Most Leavers argued that the 48% should be ignored. In fact, half the Leavers (against any deal) argued that the other half of the Leavers (who wanted a deal as promised) should be ignored.
 
East Level 2 said:
And the slower and more surreptitious it is, the further we fall from where we would have been had we remained.
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Well, on the principle that greater integration and co-operation is economically advantageous, then once we're surreptitiously reintegrated, we can get the benefit from the EU's "ever closer union" - because we won't be able to use our veto to stop it.
 
Vic said:
No idea what you're on about. "Many remainers argued that the 52% should be ignored"?

Most Leavers argued that the 48% should be ignored. In fact, half the Leavers (against any deal) argued that the other half of the Leavers (who wanted a deal as promised) should be ignored.
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Sure sure tunnel vision Labour remain bloke.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Some on here have always loved doing the UK down, it's a bit sad really.
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I never used to. It wasn’t perfect but things used to work in this country. Not any more. Is that down to Brexit? Certainly to a significant extent given the timing and trajectory of that decay. It’s otherwise a huge fucking coincidence. People will try to pin it on Covid and the war in Ukraine to make themselves feel better, but all of Europe has been subject to those factors.

This country’s standing and reputation have been greatly diminished by this utterly foolish and selfish decision to go it alone. We have threatened to break international law, been egregiously rude to our neighbours and it has exposed the limitations of our anachronistic political system and the cunts within it. That‘s plenty of ammo to do this country down.

I used to be proud of this county and enjoyed living here. I always saw the positives and generally talked them up. So I didn’t ‘always’ talk this country down. It’s only in recent years I’ve done so. I’m not a negative person, far from it, but I am a rational one. I do this country down these days because it deserves it. We had it so good, but it wasn’t enough, and our young people and their children after them will have to deal with the consequences, because there’s no undoing what’s been done - and it was all completely avoidable.
 
goalmole said:
It stinks.
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It’s a fucking disgrace. And some cunts who voted for Brexit have the audacity to pontificate about UK democracy. What is democratic about a party that gets about 40% of the vote doing what the fuck it wants for five years? Or accountability ffs. Our politicians lie, get caught and fuck all happens. There is no accountability.

Our politics is completely fucking broken and leaving the EU has both accentuated and exposed that.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It’s a fucking disgrace. And some cunts who voted for Brexit have the audacity to pontificate about UK democracy. What is democratic about a party that gets about 40% of the vote doing what the fuck it wants for five years? Or accountability ffs. Our politicians lie, get caught and fuck all happens. There is no accountability.

Our politics is completely fucking broken and leaving the EU has both accentuated and exposed that.
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You lost get over it.
 
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