How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Rascal said:
Its been implemented by people who are clueless, and/or people who are rampant free market idealogues who took advantage of peoples ignorance to push their agenda, check out the Baker Street Herald for some of the underhand dealings, you will be gobsmacked.. On that level it is wrong on every level, because of the people behind it.

Yet I still think given the options I described in my previous post it was the correct decision, the result however is we have jumped out of one neo liberal frying pan into an ultra neo liberal frying pan.

If anything it was a failure of the left to have a cohesive vision of a post Brexit UK. That saddens me.
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sorry mate just not buying it - when it all went to shit ( as it has ) it was predicted that the line pushed will be that the idea was right the implementation was wrong and thats where you are at.

The idea that we could Leave the "shackles " of the EU political system and "free" ourselves to do as we please was just pie in the sky. Its straight out of the German car makers/they need us playbook. We were one of twenty eight the idea that somehow we could impose our will and our ideals and get the EU to change course to suit us is exceptionalist in the extreme. Any hope that we had of influencing change was from within using diplomacy but we spent 30 years negotiating our opt outs but retaining all the benefits but people allowed themselves to believe the biggest pile of horseshit outside of your local riding stables - it tapped into to the latent hatred that some had and showed up the lack of education and the lack of political engagement amongst the working classes in this country.

I was always against the idea of Leaving - I could see what the obvious results would be - I regularly posted that on here and was roundly attacked by a number of now absent posters who haven't had the bollocks to try to defend their point of view. I am angry about how the withdrawal of FoM has and will affect my childrens opportunities and futures - the impact on our economy will last for decades - on current form we are heading back to the 70's and I am sure I will be dead before there is any meaningful recovery in the country's fortunes.
 
Rascal said:
I have stated previously that the binary nature of the vote left out my preferred option and whilst Brexit now looks a bad choice, I actually have something in common with that Tory clown Rees Mogg, in that we may not see the benefits for years.... The passing of time may however pave the way for a Socialist government able to do as it pleases without the constraints of the EU. I may not see it, but our young ones might,
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How can you have a referendum on greater integration with the EU when that wasn't even on the agenda within the remaining 27 countries? That is in deadlock whilst currency transfer to the poorer countries in the euro zone remains off the table.

The last paragraph sounds like the socialist version of David Frost's and Rees-Mogg's 50 year plan.
 
Rascal said:
I have stated previously that the binary nature of the vote left out my preferred option and whilst Brexit now looks a bad choice, I actually have something in common with that Tory clown Rees Mogg, in that we may not see the benefits for years.... The passing of time may however pave the way for a Socialist government able to do as it pleases without the constraints of the EU. I may not see it, but our young ones might,
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There was never any prospect of a government led by Cameron offering a socialist Lexit option and it’s delusional to think it was ever an option.
 
Rascal said:
The left has always had a strong anti EU faction, the likes of Benn and Shore, Foot and even stood on a pro leave manifesto pledge in 1982. They saw the way the EU was heading and the EU is no friend of Socialism. Its a pro capitalist entity and as an anti capitalist I could not support it despite being in bed with the strangest of bedfellows. I despise Farage and his ilk with a passion/

The reason though it has been a disaster is because of the people implementing it, not because Brexit was inherently a bad choice,
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Ok mate. Tell me how it should have been implemented to benefit the country.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
How can you have a referendum on greater integration with the EU when that wasn't even on the agenda within the remaining 27 countries? That is in deadlock whilst currency transfer to the poorer countries in the euro zone remains off the table.

The last paragraph sounds like the socialist version of David Frost's and Rees-Mogg's 50 year plan.
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Because "they need us more than we need them" - thats the point that was never grasped - remember Davis boasting his first job post referendum was to go to Berlin and discuss the future with Merkel - none of them wanted to grasp the situation that the score was 27 - 1 and the 27 as a unit decided we had made our bed and now we needed to lie in it
 
Didn't think there would be many posts praising Brexit but...

Didn't we get the Covid vaccines three months earlier because we didn't have to wait for multiple nations to approve them?
Seem to remember the democratic and lawful EU rip up international laws and try and steal/ban/interfere with the UK's private orders of the stuff. Still want to be a part of that mob?
They have then spent most of their time finding ways to nobble the UK as some kind of punishment for daring to leave.

I thought it a bad idea to leave at the time. The behaviour of the EU since has actually turned me the opposite way.
They seem to be very worried we might do well in the long term....why is this?

As for my day to day life, not much has changed. My business has grown and i'm earning more than ever.
Covid has made judging the real effects of leaving harder. Now Putin has further muddied the waters as such.
I agree some things have changed. They obviously would.
The truth is there is nothing stopping us rejoining the EU if that is what the majority want.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter what you think, and if it's been a disaster or not.
It's happened, get over it.
If it has affected your business then adapt. Plenty of things have affected my business over the years. Not once have i moaned about it. I have evolved and changed with the times.

People moaning that they find travel harder, then hard shit. I mainly holiday in the States. That involves filling in Esta's. What's the big deal if that happens to travel to the EU?

I'm not into politics. But the one thing i learned during the Pandemic was the Government couldn't do anything to please some people.
We had the forum "experts" on here daily telling us how much the Government was fucking up.
Yet half were saying the Government wasn't locking hard down enough, while others were saying the complete opposite.
Some predicted a disaster when all restrictions were lifted.
"How could the Government be so stupid"
"We will be back to hospitals over flowing again"
Yet these people slid away when nothing happened and peoples lives/businesses started up again.

So forgive me if i ignore most of you "Experts" on politics/brexit.
You know fuck all in reality, otherwise you would be doing it as a job!
 
This is a nice thread. Can I just ask….
How did Manchester United get the nickname “The Rags”??
 
Some stupid cunts actually thought it would be as straightforward as leaving a golf club and cancelling your membership direct debit.

Extricating ourselves from a hugely complex international agreement which had evolved over half a century was always going to be insanely challenging and replete with danger. How could it not be? Was ridiculous to suggest otherwise, although plenty did.

What we see now is exactly what people voted for. Chaos, uncertainty and inevitable decline.

Well done guys. Well done.
 
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