You made a statement which you cannot back up which you have just proved. It's an easy thing to do, so to add balance to your whoppers here is mine.Hang on I'll just go and count. Could be some time.
You will never ever be able to argue with folk on here.You made a statement which you cannot back up which you have just proved. It's an easy thing to do, so to add balance to your whoppers here is mine.
I personally know loads of people that sleep on a bed of cash thanks to Brexit and also most people now have happier lives as a direct result of that vote.
Easy this shit isn't it?
My energy bills never went up 500%. You are talking generalisations, I'm talking individual people, so you can't say to anyone you don't know their circumstances -"The Ukraine war has cost you personally infinitely more than Brexit has".Did your energy bills increase 500% because of Brexit? Did food inflation increase to 20% because of Brexit? We left the EU in 2020, food inflation was less than 2% until the Ukraine war started in 2022. Had the Ukraine war not happened then would you be better off or worse off? You'd be a million miles better off. I doubt you'd notice any difference if Brexit hadn't happened.
A huge chunk of our electricity used to come from natural gas supplied by Russia. That tap was cut off so supply decreased and your energy bills went up as a result because we had to source more expensive natural gas from elsewhere such as Qatar or Norway.
We also import quite a lot of food from Europe but European farms and food producers need electricity too. European farms and food providers also need grains/wheats to make foods and who is one of the largest grain suppliers to Europe? Russia and Ukraine.
Just look at Germany today, growth in Germany is on its arse and is that because of Brexit or Ukraine? It's clearly because of Ukraine so why am I not allowed to apply this logic to the UK but I have to for Germany? By the logic you lot use Germany are suffering more than we are due to Brexit.
I'm actually surprised by the lack of impact of Brexit upon the general population. I never bought into the 'Armageddon' predictions, but I did think we would see more adverse effects - particularly through those initial years.To be clear-I didn't pick the fuc**** dates. It was ME that was not discounting C19 unlike the OP who just decided that a 8%+ rise on one year was the norm. Anyway it seems to be that amongst some of you the economy is in fine fettle and Brexit(the reason for this thread) has had no impact. But if so, I wonder why, if given a chance, a fairly sizeable majority would vote to rejoin. To be clear. I am not one of those as the terms we enjoyed are long gone.
I don't think anyone is shouting armageddon, but just pointing out that there has been an impact on the economy, the best estimates of which, is a negative impact on the economy. The reality also, is that the electorate were told they would be actually better off, not the same, not worse off, but better off. So if they have noticed no difference, those claims have obviously proved to be wrong. And let's not foget the UK, so far, has chosen to ignore carrying out the normal checks on imports for fear of...hurting the economy even more.
I really can't decide if you're doing this to be deliberately obtuse, or whether you don't bother reading the thread and previous replies.I honestly looked hard at the graph in the link below showing total GDP and I just can't see it, sorry. If you are saying the statistics are false then Google it and prove they're wrong. I can provide a ton of them that show that Brexit plainly hasn't had a huge effect, and definitely not armageddon as was predicted by the 'experts'.
Remember that COVID cost us £300-£400bn or about 10% of GDP which we've recovered but this is clearly visible in the data for 2020. I can even see the Ukraine war in 2022 which had a flattening effect. Apparently Brexit has cost us £150-£200bn and yet it's totally invisible? Why has Brexit been a disaster and yet it's totally invisible in the statistics?
The real world data proves that we're not suffering greatly from Brexit, the vast majority of people won't have even noticed albeit except for some adaptation and nuances. Largely otherwise we're suffering just as Europe is suffering from a very difficult environment caused by successive impactful global events and that's it.
The Ukraine war has cost you personally infinitely more than Brexit has. So are you all now going to argue that we should immediately and urgently find a solution with Russia? No, nobody is even arsed. Some even support further military involvement in Ukraine and that includes the EU but at what cost? Against a nuclear armed country! It's mad.
I don't mind a difference of opinion it's just the non stop repetitive nature of it all and gross exaggeration. Also at some point adults accept some people just do not agree with them. My 6yr old granddaughter behaves better:-)You will never ever be able to argue with folk on here.
Brexit so far has cost me nothing. I'm currently eating my favourite strawberries that they sometimes do at Spar. They come from Belgium and are on offer for £2.50.
I have absolutely no idea how Spar pulled this off because apparently nobody whatsoever can trade because of Brexit and it's just a disaster. Maybe they fell off a lorry in Northern Ireland?
I don't mind a difference of opinion it's just the non stop repetitive nature of it all and gross exaggeration. Also at some point adults accept some people just do not agree with them. My 6yr old granddaughter behaves better:-)
The situation is so complicated, especially when you add in a useless govt covid and Ukraine, that stats are just guesswork which anyone who has been around for any length of time should know.
There are bigger things to worry about tbh, outside of this particular sub forum it's not discussed that much. It's a real obsession with a handful on here. They must have either been personally affected or really hate not getting their way.
Hard to have much sympathy really.
The worst bit, by far, about it, is the emboldening of populists, who voted to shake things up, rather than for anything.For the majority of the country, they won’t feel or notice any difference at all and those that have, myself included, I don’t think the economic aspect has been the biggest impact despite it being the most talked about.
For me, it’s been more on the personal and individual level. I know a lot of people it’s made life harder for and no one it’s made life easier for. There will be a few it has done that for, although for me not enough to justify it.
This seems to be a bit of a 'decline of the west' related issue replicated on both sides of the English channel (and the Atlantic).The worst bit, by far, about it, is the emboldening of populists, who voted to shake things up, rather than for anything.
The worst bit, by far, about it, is the emboldening of populists, who voted to shake things up, rather than for anything.
You will never ever be able to argue with folk on here.
Brexit so far has cost me nothing. I'm currently eating my favourite strawberries that they sometimes do at Spar. They come from Belgium and are on offer for £2.50.
I have absolutely no idea how Spar pulled this off because apparently nobody whatsoever can trade because of Brexit and it's just a disaster. Maybe they fell off a lorry in Northern Ireland?
Politically, I think it’s had more than a few negative impacts. I don’t personally feel quite as emotive about them as I do about the direct impacts though. I know quite a few people and their families that have had to completely change their life situations and I’m empathetic to them more than anything as I think they’ve been a completely forgotten group by most (which I get as most people won’t know anyone that was impacted themselves).
Taking statistics out of the equation it is plain for anyone to see that we have declined as a nation in the last decade. Not economically, but in terms of our standing in the world. The chaos that Brexit has unquestionably unleashed will have played a significant, and most likely on overwhelming, part in that.I think six Prime Ministers since 2016 counts as ‘negative’ impact :)
We had five Prime Ministers between 1979 and 2016. Brexit has destabilised the UK politically and divided our own Union. Northern Ireland is still in the EU single market and subject to EU jurisdiction. We literally split our own union to leave another union and for no tangible benefit.
It remains the high point of collective stupidity.
I think six Prime Ministers since 2016 counts as ‘negative’ impact :)
We had five Prime Ministers between 1979 and 2016. Brexit has destabilised the UK politically and divided our own Union. Northern Ireland is still in the EU single market and subject to EU jurisdiction. We literally split our own union to leave another union and for no tangible benefit.
It remains the high point of collective stupidity.
Apart from the rapid decline of the UK car industry (and Nissan in Sunderland only kept going with a billion pounds of public subsidy). And umpteen companies having to open branches in EU countries to keep exporting (my nephew is director of an agricultural machinery firm that's had to do that).I'm actually surprised by the lack of impact of Brexit upon the general population. I never bought into the 'Armageddon' predictions, but I did think we would see more adverse effects - particularly through those initial years.
Be fair. Some of "project fear" hasn't materialised. And there are people on here who can claim "it's not that bad" - but precious few with any Brexit positives to claim.Politically I agree and I didn’t think anything that followed it wasn’t predictable.
Please don't think I'm saying there were no negatives or that I'm trying to say there were loads of positives, just that there has been minimal effect upon the (general) population. That's not to say there have not been more localised effects on specific industries and trade relationships - your example of car manufacturers being one of course.Apart from the rapid decline of the UK car industry (and Nissan in Sunderland only kept going with a billion pounds of public subsidy). And umpteen companies having to open branches in EU countries to keep exporting (my nephew is director of an agricultural machinery firm that's had to do that).
Not quite at random. but I happened today to be catching up on some old newspapers and (from November) - "One of the things I didn't factor into Brexit when I voted to leave was that we didn't know how much it would affect us in terms of how much things cost. I didn't foresee any issues with how it would affect my work, but my work has been massively affected by it, negatively". And that from a business development manager at a delivery company, who surely should have known better.
Usual bottom line question - what are the benefits of Brexit? Which UK firms have done well out of it?
And this is exactly the reason a debate gets out of hand. If you'd bothered to read or acknowledge that the UK has NOT implemented import checks that may help. But no body said we can't/don't trade, just that it's much harder than it was and therefore almost certainly costs more for Spar, who are running a business and will almost certainly have passed that on to the consumer in some way. You may not see or want to see the impact but it's there. Liken it to charges in the financial industry. Charges were hidden away for years and then people started to realise an extra 1% here and there actually adds up massively over a few years. Invisible but there.You will never ever be able to argue with folk on here.
Brexit so far has cost me nothing. I'm currently eating my favourite strawberries that they sometimes do at Spar. They come from Belgium and are on offer for £2.50.
I have absolutely no idea how Spar pulled this off because apparently nobody whatsoever can trade because of Brexit and it's just a disaster. Maybe they fell off a lorry in Northern Ireland?
As an ironic aside, Spar means “he saves” in German.And this is exactly the reason a debate gets out of hand. If you'd bothered to read or acknowledge that the UK has NOT implemented import checks that may help. But no body said we can't/don't trade, just that it's much harder than it was and therfore almost certainly more for Spar, who are running a business and will almost certainly have passed that on to the consumer in some way.