How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

hilts said:
I'm not convincing myself about anything not sure where you that from. I was brought up in a town of approx 20 odd thousand people. We had 5 or 6 pubs. They now have none. 5 of those went well before brexit and the other was struggling before. The high St has long been in decline. I don't post much in here because of posts I have seen today. I have not said brexit isn't partly responsible for things. I have said over many years the economic effects are nowhere near the top of my list.

It's sad fuckers who have nowt better to do with their lives than blame Brexit for everything due to an unhealthy obsession with the subject.

Stop fretting folks you said it was too complicated for us mere mortals. The politicians have the expertise you said. It is now in their hands so good luck. I'm sure soon you will be served in the manner you had been accustomed to.
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err I didn't say Politicians have the expertise I was pointing out the bad decisions they make and continue to make. Brexit is a disaster and will continue to blight your life and the lives of your friends and family for decades to come. It wasn't too complicated for "mere mortals " nor anyone. It just required people to think about the evidence and assess the probable outcomes rather than rely emotions - they didn't so we are all stuck with it.
 
bluethrunthru said:
err I didn't say Politicians have the expertise I was pointing out the bad decisions they make and continue to make. Brexit is a disaster and will continue to blight your life and the lives of your friends and family for decades to come. It wasn't too complicated for "mere mortals " nor anyone. It just required people to think about the evidence and assess the probable outcomes rather than rely emotions - they didn't so we are all stuck with it.
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I never said you did and by the way it hasn't blighted my life in the slightest.
 
bluethrunthru said:
and pre-Brexit that was easily done as long as you didn't mind your barman being called Klaus or your waitress Caterina.

Now one of the reasons they were here was the strength of the £ as well as the availability of work. Immediately after Brexit the £ was devalued by @20% - so those continental workers effectively faced a pay cut. Then - and we can be real about this - Covid-19 hit. Understandably almost all those workers wanted to go home whilst they could - for a while none of us knew what we faced long term. Whilst they were away and their jobs were shut down anyway ( and lets face it they would have not got furlough ) Patel rammed through legislation that would prevent them returning unless they earned far more than was on offer and had savings/reserves they could not muster. So they did not return.

Meanwhile post Covid there was a need to recover the economy - places were opening up and needed people but we had set things up so foreigners could not return to do even skilled jobs like brick laying. Plenty of folk like me revised their future and prospects and retired early. This left over a million more vacancies than there were people to do the work. Obviously therefore the economy contracted. The Govt view was rather than try and get people back from the EU they want people like me to return to work. You are correct the work poorly paid so it ain't going to attract people like me to come back to work for less than my pension gives me anyway.

So as a direct result of Brexit we are short of bodies and ham stringing our economy basically to satisfy a few R/W folk who don't like the idea of people talking Romanian on the bus near them.

Convince yourself of what you like bit the world is more challenging than ever and the self imposition of restrictions on ourselves to satisfy the whims of some ill informed people most of whom now see it as a mistake as shown in opinion polls cannot be denied
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Brilliant post and sums it up in a nutshell. One can only hope someone with seniority and influence on govt will see this thread/post and see sense.
 
hilts said:
I never said you did and by the way it hasn't blighted my life in the slightest.
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It's all very well for you and your 'im alright jack' rubbish, but most of us depended upon cheap eastern European labour for livelihoods and service. I had two polish lads install a bathroom for me four years ago for circa half the going rate for UK labour and it's gleaming. Now everything will be double the price
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It's all very well for you and your 'im alright jack' rubbish, but most of us depended upon cheap eastern European labour for livelihoods and service. I had two polish lads install a bathroom for me four years ago for circa half the going rate for UK labour and it's gleaming. Now everything will be double the price
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Listen sunshine I care, I care about the poor and the down trodden, i care that people are taken advantage of. I will vote for hard socialists like Keith and rise up against the status quo even if it means walking all the way down the road to the voting station. I will use my pointless vote for good, god damn you.

But do not expect my bank balance or latte buying to suffer because of it. Do not even think of making me queue though. I'm a decent bloke but I'm not sodding Ghandi. My kids need I phones ffs.
 
hilts said:
Listen sunshine I care, I care about the poor and the down trodden, i care that people are taken advantage of. I will vote for hard socialists like Keith and rise up against the status quo even if it means walking all the way down the road to the voting station. I will use my pointless vote for good, god damn you.

But do not expect my bank balance or latte buying to suffer because of it. Do not even think of making me queue though. I'm a decent bloke but I'm not sodding Ghandi. My kids need I phones ffs.
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But obviously not so much about those losing their businesses and the employees their jobs. Still you get to make a latte joke.
 
blueparrot said:
But obviously not so much about those losing their businesses and the employees their jobs. Still you get to make a latte joke.
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Austerity
Brexit
Covid
War in Ukraine
Incompetent politicians
A flawed political system
Environmental catastrophe

But some prefer to spend their daily lives crying about a decision made years ago that they cannot change. Except they could but moaning is much better.

And you are trying the wake up and the smell the Latte with me? Really.

It always comes down to one thing with certain posters on this subject. They didn't get the outcome they wanted. It's gone but if it bothers people that much discuss what happens next. We know you think it was a mistake after all even dumb racists get the message after 7 years that some ain't happy.

Shame you clever lot weren't quite bright enough to get a likkle 2 % to see things a different way.

The EU the politicians the remainers the clever ones deary me.

Anyhow loads of old racist pillocks have died so your problems will be over very soon. Because how can the majority of the population the politicians and the EU not rectify it. You are the smart ones.
 
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