How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

Vic said:
In topsy-turvy Tory world, empathy must come under Braverman's "fake garb of humanitarianism" [(c) Hitler].

smallbusinessprices.co.uk

Brexit Job Loss Index: 436,296 Jobs Lost As Of 31 January 2020

The Brexit Job Loss Index is an attempt to keep track of the number of jobs lost in the UK due to Brexit. Here are the key stats (last updated 31/01/2020): Total Jobs Lost: 436,296 Total Annual Wages Lost*: £12,511,660,392 Reduction in Annual Income Tax & National Insurance Receipts**:...
smallbusinessprices.co.uk smallbusinessprices.co.uk

(The source site stopped trying to attribute job losses purely to Brexit when Covid came. These were Brexit job losses before we even left the EU.)
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Tory world, why are you quoting the Tories at me?

Anyhow can you confirm which is bothering you the most a stat that jobs have been lost(taken at this time with a certain amount cynicism)

Or

The continual tale of woe about not being able to fill vacancies.


It's an odd argument look people jobs have been lost and to make matters worse we cant find anyone to do loads of jobs.

Seems some can't make their minds up about whether we are currently in a employer's or a employees market. Its almost like they are just looking for angles in their ever present need to be right.
 
hilts said:
Seems some can't make their minds up about whether we are currently in an employer's or an employees market. Its almost like they are just looking for angles in their ever present need to be right.
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Depends on the particular labour market. There is unquestionably a severe labour shortage in the hospitality sector, relative to current (albeit reduced) levels of demand. It’s why many hospitality businesses now close Monday-Wednesday.
 
hilts said:
Tory world, why are you quoting the Tories at me?

Anyhow can you confirm which is bothering you the most a stat that jobs have been lost(taken at this time with a certain amount cynicism)

Or

The continual tale of woe about not being able to fill vacancies.


It's an odd argument look people jobs have been lost and to make matters worse we cant find anyone to do loads of jobs.

Seems some can't make their minds up about whether we are currently in an employer's or an employees market. Its almost like they are just looking for angles in their ever present need to be right.
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Both can be true.
It can be difficult to fill generally low paid vacancies in the hospitality and agricultural sectors whilst at the same time there can be a decline in available higher paid roles in industries and services that are no longer investing in this country.
The government answer is for highly qualified or trained people to take on jobs that they are overqualified for. Funnily enough it’s not going too well
 
west didsblue said:
Both can be true.
It can be difficult to fill generally low paid vacancies in the hospitality and agricultural sectors whilst at the same time there can be a decline in available higher paid roles in industries and services that are no longer investing in this country.
The government answer is for highly qualified or trained people to take on jobs that they are overqualified for. Funnily enough it’s not going too well
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I'm not a fan of the term over qualified tbh. Job snobbery:-) under qualified certainly. I believe a lot of these low paid vacancies shouldn't be low paid. Unfortunately we have a strange view on worthy jobs. Throw in a staggeringly Incompetent govt and we are where we are.

Its better mind if one loses their job to at least have plenty of vacancies floating about.
 
hilts said:
Tory world, why are you quoting the Tories at me?

Anyhow can you confirm which is bothering you the most a stat that jobs have been lost(taken at this time with a certain amount cynicism)

Or

The continual tale of woe about not being able to fill vacancies.


It's an odd argument look people jobs have been lost and to make matters worse we cant find anyone to do loads of jobs.

Seems some can't make their minds up about whether we are currently in a employer's or a employees market. Its almost like they are just looking for angles in their ever present need to be right.
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In general it's an employees' market, whether it's bus drivers getting up to 30% rises since the pandemic (or they go and work on delivery vans), or hospitality competing for the same staff (or closing because they can't get the staff or can't make it pay at higher wages when people have less to spend), or nurses and teachers quitting for less stressful jobs and doctors going abroad and the rest shat on for their dedication.

High "churn" in many workplaces (skilled and unskilled), and some jobs that immigrants did well but Brits don't want (early morning in the fields and in packing sheds).

And railway "employers" are guaranteed profits out of taxation so no financial incentive to pay better wages and settle disputes so no trains to the Cup Final.

True, if Brexit hadn't cost so many jobs (e.g. in what's left of what had been an expanding UK car industry till 2016) the seller's market in labour might have been even more challenging (more immigration?) but it would be a problem of success rather than the Tory shitshow we have now with inward investment stalled (apart from investing in empty properties built by Tory donors).

It's not about being right, it's about not being mugs (see the post about The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists).
 
Vic said:
In general it's an employees' market, whether it's bus drivers getting up to 30% rises since the pandemic (or they go and work on delivery vans), or hospitality competing for the same staff (or closing because they can't get the staff or can't make it pay at higher wages when people have less to spend), or nurses and teachers quitting for less stressful jobs and doctors going abroad and the rest shat on for their dedication.

High "churn" in many workplaces (skilled and unskilled), and some jobs that immigrants did well but Brits don't want (early morning in the fields and in packing sheds).

And railway "employers" are guaranteed profits out of taxation so no financial incentive to pay better wages and settle disputes so no trains to the Cup Final.

True, if Brexit hadn't cost so many jobs (e.g. in what's left of what had been an expanding UK car industry till 2016) the seller's market in labour might have been even more challenging (more immigration?) but it would be a problem of success rather than the Tory shitshow we have now with inward investment stalled (apart from investing in empty properties built by Tory donors).

It's not about being right, it's about not being mugs (see the post about The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists).
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Not sure someone on shit money is bothered if problems are problems of success or problems of

Tories
Brexit
Covid
Ukraine
Unsustainable ideology

Sometimes change has to be forced which obviously causes difficulties. I think certain people have got a little comfortable with their lot.
 
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