Postman Pep
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BFS knew what he was voting for ;)
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How do we resolve the Brexit mess?
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bluethrunthru
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IMHO we need to pay care workers a lot more money, that'd solve the issue of recruitment.
Same for fruit pickers, a very good annual salary not just a caravan on the land you work on with the farmer or supermarket forcing you to pay for shit accommodation.
and push the costs up with inflationary wage rises. Employers won't absorb that costs - most would go bust I suspect. In the case of care home works I absolutely agree but that needs to go hand in hand with money from the Govt which has dwindled instead. When they announced pay for care workers was going up the Govt money wasn't and the number of care places went down as homes shut. The Govt has spent nearly 14 years pulling all the money out of the economy for the benefit of themselves, their donors and the rich.
Don't really agree with pickers. What we had was a perfectly reasonable system that worked well that gave us sufficient food at affordable prices. The fact is its seasonal work so the picker come and go - the same people who pull your carrots in Lincolnshire in summer are in winter picking your red peppers in hot houses in the Netherlands or pulling your cherry tomatoes in Spain. The problem was Brexit - they could not make Brexit work but allow seasonal labour in so faced with a choice food affordable food supply from a domestic supply chain or put everything up and people out of business and work OR impose an unworkable fantasy on the UK they went with the latter.
"Let them eat swede instead " as Coffey once said - until it was pointed out to the then Sec of State for Agriculture the UK swede crop is seasonal - normally Oct to February
mexico1970
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and push the costs up with inflationary wage rises. Employers won't absorb that costs - most would go bust I suspect. In the case of care home works I absolutely agree but that needs to go hand in hand with money from the Govt which has dwindled instead. When they announced pay for care workers was going up the Govt money wasn't and the number of care places went down as homes shut. The Govt has spent nearly 14 years pulling all the money out of the economy for the benefit of themselves, their donors and the rich.
Don't really agree with pickers. What we had was a perfectly reasonable system that worked well that gave us sufficient food at affordable prices. The fact is its seasonal work so the picker come and go - the same people who pull your carrots in Lincolnshire in summer are in winter picking your red peppers in hot houses in the Netherlands or pulling your cherry tomatoes in Spain. The problem was Brexit - they could not make Brexit work but allow seasonal labour in so faced with a choice food affordable food supply from a domestic supply chain or put everything up and people out of business and work OR impose an unworkable fantasy on the UK they went with the latter.
"Let them eat swede instead " as Coffey once said - until it was pointed out to the then Sec of State for Agriculture the UK swede crop is seasonal - normally Oct to February
It's the end of cheap imported labour from the EU mate, we have to get our slaves from somewhere else now.
Are we? Well if you say it’s so then that’s that then. I’ll make sure I’m suitably prepared for whatever shock is coming my way.We ain’t going back.
More countries will exit the EU, mark my words and I say that as someone who regrets voting to leave.
Friends in the EU are in for a shock.
mexico1970
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Are we? Well if you say it’s so then that’s that then. I’ll make sure I’m suitably prepared for whatever shock is coming my way.
Tinned potatoes and pineapples and toilet roll mate, lots of toilet roll.
My underground shelter I had built that people mocked me for is well stocked and ready for Armageddon mate. :-)Tinned potatoes and pineapples and toilet roll mate, lots of toilet roll.
bluethrunthru
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It's the end of cheap imported labour from the EU mate, we have to get our slaves from somewhere else now.
They are doing that hence the 700k legal immigrants that got peoples knickers in a twist. If jobs aren't done the economy collapses - cheap labour will continue however the high paid jobs will be taken by people from overseas outside the EU that get a visa to come here and do it. The lower paid manual jobs - the cheap labour - will be done by your and my and everyone's kids - they will have no avenues open to them to "get on" as they will be needed by companies to do the low paid work which will continue to be low paid. Why do you think this govt is already questioning the reason for so many kids to go to uni - questioning why we need so many universities? They won't be needed in their new utopia. If your grandchild wants to emulate Sunak's career in finance forget it. They won't have access to the education to access the jobs - they will be done by a banker brought here from America. Meanwhile those shelves in Lidl won't stack themselves you know.
mexico1970
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They are doing that hence the 700k legal immigrants that got peoples knickers in a twist. If jobs aren't done the economy collapses - cheap labour will continue however the high paid jobs will be taken by people from overseas outside the EU that get a visa to come here and do it. The lower paid manual jobs - the cheap labour - will be done by your and my and everyone's kids - they will have no avenues open to them to "get on" as they will be needed by companies to do the low paid work which will continue to be low paid. Why do you think this govt is already questioning the reason for so many kids to go to uni - questioning why we need so many universities? They won't be needed in their new utopia. If your grandchild wants to emulate Sunak's career in finance forget it. They won't have access to the education to access the jobs - they will be done by a banker brought here from America. Meanwhile those shelves in Lidl won't stack themselves you know.
Couldn't give a fuck mate, it's another story of those at the bottom get fucked by those at the top.
Me asking for more money for those at the bottom makes their lives better not worse, strange how those not giving a shit about minimum wage workers dust off their flat caps for train drivers/workers and junior doctors/nurses.
west didsblue
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If we look at your previous track record of predictions pre-Brexit and in the early days of Covid, I think we can quite safely assume that the EU will go from strength to strength and we’ll start talks to rejoin within a few years.We ain’t going back.
More countries will exit the EU, mark my words and I say that as someone who regrets voting to leave.
Friends in the EU are in for a shock.
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They were mocking you for other things I think?My underground shelter I had built that people mocked me for is well stocked and ready for Armageddon mate. :-)