Given your repetition of asking about the necessity to bring immigration down, it’s fair to say that is your position.Really, how do you know my view has no objectivity. What have you read of my views on Brexit on here? Pretty tell.
Well that's a separate issue to be honest. If you care to recall I've also stated several I'm in favour of immigration but controlled. I'm not in favour of unregulated immigration. But there again I think it's reasonable to say that the majority of people are against uncontrolled immigration, including our new Government.Given your repetition of asking about the necessity to bring immigration down, it’s fair to say that is your position.
It won’t come down as it’s needed for the employment market. Limit it largely and hyper inflation will be upon us.
We don’t have and probably never have had uncontrolled immigration.Well that's a separate issue to be honest. If you care to recall I've also stated several I'm in favour of immigration but controlled. I'm not in favour of unregulated immigration. But there again I think it's reasonable to say that the majority of people are against uncontrolled immigration, including our new Government.
Far-right in my book is:Out of interest what do you class as being far right in the UK. Is the far right the rioters this August? Is it voting for Reform? is it backing Kemi Bardenochs Conservatism? is it just voting for Brexit. Is it just wanting to slow the rate of immigration?
True , but it's fair to say the rate of uncontrolled immigration over the past 15 years is far greater than we have had previously. Would you not agree?We don’t have and probably never have had uncontrolled immigration.
We swapped Polish immigrants for Indian ones.
I was using it as an example that YOU can have a personal opinion on the views of someone else using balance and objectivity as what is your own personal view. I just showed that someone else (ME) can also have a personal opinion on what you "think" are balanced and objective.Really, how do you know my view has no objectivity. What have you read of my views on Brexit on here? Prey tell.
A balanced and objective post!!Far-right in my book is:
a) A contempt for the Rule of Law. Examples, blaming judges when they apply the law because it doesn't suit the book. Arguing for arbitrary and unlawful 'solutions', like towing the boats back to France.
b) Arbitrary government. That is the belief that the government is above the law and can/should do whatever it takes. In modern terms, the absurd notion is that a 'mandate' overrules law. (It used to be the King's divinity.)
c) A general contempt for education, intellectuals, art and literature. These days you can add science to that list!
d) Obsessive nationalism, militarism and flag worship.
e) Deep suspicion of international bodies and treaties.
f) Rioters? Probably, but many are just criminals and thugs. They may well not have a thought-through political philosophy. If their motive is that they hate brown people, I'd call that far-right for sure.
g) Brexit? Depends on motive. The Communist Party of Britain was all for Brexit. You can't call them far-right. But if the motive was hatred of foreigners, sure, far-right.
h) Wanting to reduce the flow of immigration? Not in principle far-right. But fucking unrealistic unless you have an alternative way of keeping the economy going. Would it be far-left to increase taxes to pay for extra education and training to create more of our own skilled people? The idea that we can turn the tap off tomorrow and see no consequences is for the birds. The problem is rooted in our disproportionate and growing numbers of retired people.
i) Kemi Badenoch is arguably far-right in that she is more to the right than any previous Tory leader and makes Duncan-Smith look like a liberal. But it's relative. She isn't Hitler. So I'd be inclined to say very right-wing Tory. A sort of Anti-Corbyn.
Ah so you just guessed.I was using it as an example that YOU can have a personal opinion on the views of someone else using balance and objectivity as what is your own personal view. I just showed that someone else (ME) can also have a personal opinion on what you "think" are balanced and objective.
I really can't be arsed ploughing through your 15000+ posts to try to prove a point as I'm sure you will always have believed you were being objective when you made the post-just as #gordondaviesmoustache does when he posts.
For the record I generally agree with his position but I may have substituted "reckless" with uneducated and naive for the electorate.
For someone who occasionally comes across as relatively intelligent, your ability to actually read and understand what others are saying, frankly, let's you down.Ah so you just guessed.
No, it’s been totally controlled. It’s just allowed more in than some people like.True , but it's fair to say the rate of uncontrolled immigration over the past 15 years is far greater than we have had previously. Would you not agree?
Insult aside, the issue you still have, is that you made up an assumption about my position, I asked you to substantiate it and you were unable. Until the next time.For someone who occasionally comes across as relatively intelligent, your ability to actually read and understand what others are saying, frankly, let's you down.
Ok if that the way you want to put it, fine. But that doesn't change the fact that your assumption was fundamentally wrong.No, it’s been totally controlled. It’s just allowed more in than some people like.
I’ve had enough debating with someone not putting their own view forward.Ok if that the way you want to put it, fine. But that doesn't change the fact that your assumption was fundamentally wrong.
So if you voted for Brexit because you didn't want to be part of the EU political system?
Thanks for the detailed response Brian, I appreciate it. I agree with a little of what you have said. Either far right is pretty arbitary then. Based on your statements it is safe to assume that you believe some but not all if the four categories of voters I put forward would be classed as far right. My guess is that's somewhere beween 10% and 15% of the population. What's you estimate?Far-right in my book is:
a) A contempt for the Rule of Law. Examples, blaming judges when they apply the law because it doesn't suit the book. Arguing for arbitrary and unlawful 'solutions', like towing the boats back to France.
b) Arbitrary government. That is the belief that the government is above the law and can/should do whatever it takes. In modern terms, the absurd notion is that a 'mandate' overrules law. (It used to be the King's divinity.)
c) A general contempt for education, intellectuals, art and literature. These days you can add science to that list!
d) Obsessive nationalism, militarism and flag worship.
e) Deep suspicion of international bodies and treaties.
f) Rioters? Probably, but many are just criminals and thugs. They may well not have a thought-through political philosophy. If their motive is that they hate brown people, I'd call that far-right for sure.
g) Brexit? Depends on motive. The Communist Party of Britain was all for Brexit. You can't call them far-right. But if the motive was hatred of foreigners, sure, far-right.
h) Wanting to reduce the flow of immigration? Not in principle far-right. But fucking unrealistic unless you have an alternative way of keeping the economy going. Would it be far-left to increase taxes to pay for extra education and training to create more of our own skilled people? The idea that we can turn the tap off tomorrow and see no consequences is for the birds. The problem is rooted in our disproportionate and growing numbers of retired people.
i) Kemi Badenoch is arguably far-right in that she is more to the right than any previous Tory leader and makes Duncan-Smith look like a liberal. But it's relative. She isn't Hitler. So I'd be inclined to say very right-wing Tory. A sort of Anti-Corbyn.
So if you voted for Brexit because you didn't want to be part of the EU political system?
Kobay I used that as an example why some people may have voted for Brexit and now feel that the political separation from the EU has been a success as its what they wanted. I know two people who's main reason for voting leave was for this reason.You didn't vote for the Brexit on offer then did you? The vote was never about being a Norway or Switzerland. It was always going to be the most extreme separation.
There is a flaw in this argument a referendum on the EU is not a regular thing you can't vote remain based solely on the abilities of the sitting govt one would probably never get the chance again.The blame, such as it is, and in the context of this particular subject, ultimately rests with people who voted for it in the reckless assumption that we had the political class and systems to deliver it effectively, assuming it was possible to do so.
Did you think we had? Do you still hold that view now?
But remember, your assumption was not merely flawed-just wrong-in his objective and balanced opinion!!I’ve had enough debating with Soneone not putting their own view forward.
Knock yourself out.