How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

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Was Starmer right to link Brexit to a rise in small boat crossings

Keir Starmer has linked the rise in small boat arrivals to Brexit, describing the crossings as "Farage boats".
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The one thing brexiteers mainly wanted and they didnt even get it. Because they were hoodwinked and shafted, and still are being shafted by those with the power and influence to do it. Fools. If they were turkeys they would vote for xmas and Thanksgiving.
 
And they're still in denial.

The failure is Brexit is down to everyone - the EU, civil servants, most MPs, and us for not 'believing in it'. They just will not accept that it's a five-wheel bus and that no one could have made it work. I bet that when it rains when they're on holiday, they blame 'lefties' and immigrants.
 
The EU gave us free access to one of the biggest, richest markets in the world. Thatcher helped shape the Single Market, and it is arguably her most positive achievement.

We now no longer have access to that market except on Third Country terms with shit tons of bureaucracy and paperwork. How anyone thinks this is a Good Thing eludes me.

Anyway, the market is still there, and it must be tempting for companies that know they can export stuff to it to relocate to the EU.

But never mind, wave your Union Jacks and hum Rule Britannia. That will create loads of jobs and pay everyone's bills. Oh, sorry, it won't. Nationalism stirs emotion, but is a complete dead end. It's not as if we have vast natural resources. We don't, but we have a large population and we feed ourselves by trade.
 
BrianW said:
The EU gave us free access to one of the biggest, richest markets in the world. Thatcher helped shape the Single Market, and it is arguably her most positive achievement.

We now no longer have access to that market except on Third Country terms with shit tons of bureaucracy and paperwork. How anyone thinks this is a Good Thing eludes me.

Anyway, the market is still there, and it must be tempting for companies that know they can export stuff to it to relocate to the EU.

But never mind, wave your Union Jacks and hum Rule Britannia. That will create loads of jobs and pay everyone's bills. Oh, sorry, it won't. Nationalism stirs emotion, but is a complete dead end. It's not as if we have vast natural resources. We don't, but we have a large population and we feed ourselves by trade.
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We could have stayed inside the common market and kept the movement of goods which Norway has as an arrangement. Instead we ended up on the path of self destruction. We have higher inflation than EU countries and a flat lining economy.

Burnham divides opinion on here but he has said he wants to see the U.K. back in the EU. Starmer who seems to be obsessed with pandering to reform voters doesn’t want to go near it.
 
If Labour and Starmer continue to be so unpopular leading up to the next election a cunning strategy might be to promise an early referendum on rejoining the EU thus completely outflanking Farage and chums given that all the polls now show a substantial majority in favour of rejoining.

How delicious would that be !
 
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Gorton_Tubster said:
Brexiteers. Hahawtfidiots

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From this which has some other interesting stats.
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Some gloss on the stats as well. No blame attached to the Tories for the numbers of asylum seekers waiting a decision. No inquiry into why they allowed so many foreign students to change to work visas. And no real analysis as to why non-EU migration rose so rapidly after Brexit. But that is what @Oldham Exile advocated as being less racist than only having white Europeans with freedom of movement (before he exiled himself to Cyprus).

And of course it shows that more refugees arriving in Europe do stay in the first safe country they come to than come to the UK.
 
dave_blue12 said:
If Labour and Starmer continue to be so unpopular leading up to the next election a cunning strategy might be to promise an early referendum on rejoining the EU thus completely outflanking Farage and chums given that all the polls now show a substantial majority in favour of rejoining.

How delicious would that be !
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On June 23rd 2026, ten year anniversary, he needs to just go for it, nothing to lose imho
 
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