How good were Pink Floyd?

PinkFinal said:
Mad fucker

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Roger Waters has been re-recording the Pink Floyd album 'The Dark Side of the Moon'

Roger Waters has revealed he's been secretly re-recording Pink Floyd's classic 1973 album ‘The Dark Side of the Moon’.
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Yeah he seems to be, as I said in the other thread him calling Biden a war criminal (and not Putin) is a bit crazy imo.
Of course he is entitled to his opinion.

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Pink Floyd Rockers Roger Waters & David Gilmour Escalate Feud In Fight Over Ukraine War

Roger Waters and David Gilmour of Pink Floyd fame are publicly sparring over the war between Ukraine and Russia.
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Pink Floyd were awesome.

Watters is a fucking egotistic ****, who has an over-inflated opinion of his talent. It's too bad that Rogers left Floyd - as I think that the band could have had much more success had he stayed on.
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As a band they certainly were awesome....but Waters was absolutely THE song writing talent within the band. When he left the certainly went down hill....but strangely, on his own he was nothing compared to Floyd
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
As a band they certainly were awesome....but Waters was absolutely THE song writing talent within the band. When he left the certainly went down hill....but strangely, on his own he was nothing compared to Floyd
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Weaker as a group maybe but a juggernaut sales wise its a no contest, the Pros and Cons probably seen as Waters finest solo work although I prefer Amused to Death sold just under 600,000 where as the division bell did 12,000,000

Even Floyds last little scrape the archives album did 2,500.000 so the question to be asked if Roger was so fucking good in his own mind why didn't he carry those Floyd fans with him?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
As a band they certainly were awesome....but Waters was absolutely THE song writing talent within the band. When he left the certainly went down hill....but strangely, on his own he was nothing compared to Floyd
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I've played pink Floyd for hours on end over the years and i agree with you that they were awesome. But when Waters left after Final Cut album Floyd went down hill fast without Roger's influence, IMO. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason I played it plenty but couldn't get into it. Division Bell was ok i suppose but I've hardly listened to it.

I like Waters angst he gave Floyd which is still there in much of his solo stuff. I think Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and for me his finest moment in Floyd was Wish You Were Here album.

I have most solo albums of Waters and Gilmour and their style is like chalk and cheese. I've played Waters solo albums a lot but I just can't get into gilmour solo stuff. I think its too trippy and wishy washy, I'm not saying its crap though, each to their own.

Roger Waters is a much bigger artist than a lot of people think. He sold out Wembley stadium 2 nights on the trot a few years ago. I attended one gig there and it was absolutely jam-packed. He sells out big gigs all over the world for a reason.
 
The post Waters Floyd albums are to me Floyd by numbers but they did one or two decent things. Of course Gilmour didn't retire the name cos they wouldn't have sold so many albums and tickets. Waters solo albums are average. He left Floyd cos he knew he'd peaked , which the solo albums prove. A brave and honourable thing to do.

 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've played pink Floyd for hours on end over the years and i agree with you that they were awesome. But when Waters left after Final Cut album Floyd went down hill fast without Roger's influence, IMO. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason I played it plenty but couldn't get into it. Division Bell was ok i suppose but I've hardly listened to it.

I like Waters angst he gave Floyd which is still there in much of his solo stuff. I think Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and for me his finest moment in Floyd was Wish You Were Here album.

I have most solo albums of Waters and Gilmour and their style is like chalk and cheese. I've played Waters solo albums a lot but I just can't get into gilmour solo stuff. I think its too trippy and wishy washy, I'm not saying its crap though, each to their own.

Roger Waters is a much bigger artist than a lot of people think. He sold out Wembley stadium 2 nights on the trot a few years ago. I attended one gig there and it was absolutely jam-packed. He sells out big gigs all over the world for a reason.
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Spot on that. Waters is the alchemist that Gilmour could never be.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
I've played pink Floyd for hours on end over the years and i agree with you that they were awesome. But when Waters left after Final Cut album Floyd went down hill fast without Roger's influence, IMO. A Momentary Lapse Of Reason I played it plenty but couldn't get into it. Division Bell was ok i suppose but I've hardly listened to it.

I like Waters angst he gave Floyd which is still there in much of his solo stuff. I think Gilmour is a fantastic guitarist and for me his finest moment in Floyd was Wish You Were Here album.

I have most solo albums of Waters and Gilmour and their style is like chalk and cheese. I've played Waters solo albums a lot but I just can't get into gilmour solo stuff. I think its too trippy and wishy washy, I'm not saying its crap though, each to their own.

Roger Waters is a much bigger artist than a lot of people think. He sold out Wembley stadium 2 nights on the trot a few years ago. I attended one gig there and it was absolutely jam-packed. He sells out big gigs all over the world for a reason.
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I think the 2 post waters albums are total dogshit, Gilmour had a bunch of writers help but couldn't write anything as deep, angst ridden and sardonic (or as lasting) as Waters could. I saw those 2 albums as a last big cash in before retiring the name.
The Final Cut was pretty shit too, Roger solo really. (although I do love The Gunners Dream).

In the end they needed each other to produce classic albums.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
As a band they certainly were awesome....but Waters was absolutely THE song writing talent within the band. When he left the certainly went down hill....but strangely, on his own he was nothing compared to Floyd
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Thats because the sound of Pink Floyd were first Gilmore's guitar playing, and secondly the vocal harmony of Gilmore and Wright. Obviously Waters does sing on some songs but the Floyd sound can't be replicated by Waters in his solo career. But I agree the song writing talent and more importantly the lyric writing talent was Waters.

This song sums up all of the above imo, classic classic Pink Floyd from 1971 and the reason I fell in love with them:

 
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Bill Walker said:
I think the 2 post waters albums are total dogshit, Gilmour had a bunch of writers help but couldn't write anything as deep, angst ridden and sardonic (or as lasting) as Waters could. I saw those 2 albums as a last big cash in before retiring the name.
The Final Cut was pretty shit too, Roger solo really. (although I do love The Gunners Dream).

In the end they needed each other to produce classic albums.
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Agree on the post RW albums, but I have to say The Final Cut was brilliant, as was Amused to Death.

I’m not saying everything RW touched was gold - Radio Kaos album was absolutely average for example. Hitchhiking was underwhelming also imho.
 
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:
Thats because the sound of Pink Floyd were first Gilmore's guitar playing, and secondly the vocal harmony of Gilmore and Wright. Obviously Waters does sing on some songs but the Floyd sound can't be replicated by Waters in his solo career. But I agree the song writing talent and more importantly the lyric writing talent was Waters.

This song sums up all of the above imo, classic classic Pink Floyd from 1971 and the reason I fell in love with them:

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Sorry pal but the first floyd member to influence Floyd's direction was Syd Barrett.
 
Mr Ed (The Stables) said:
I love the Syd era Floyd, but too many drugs did him in and famously on the way to a gig in Southampton in 1968, the band, they didn't pick him up.
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They didn't completely drop him though. Gilmour produced his solo stuff, Waters holidayed with him etc. Syd probably had other mental frailties which the psychoactives exacerbated, seems to be the view now held?
 
chesterbells said:
Agree on the post RW albums, but I have to say The Final Cut was brilliant, as was Amused to Death.

I’m not saying everything RW touched was gold - Radio Kaos album was absolutely average for example. Hitchhiking was underwhelming also imho.
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I'm a bit different, for me his best solo was pro's & Cons, agree about KAOS = Dire. Clapton played great guitar on KAOS.
Didn't like Bored Amused To Death
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Sorry pal but the first floyd member to influence Floyd's direction was Syd Barrett.
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Ok I agree to a certain extent, the underground music scene in London, the free concert in 1967 etc.

However as Syd became unfit for duty in 1968ish the band brought Gillmore in to play his guitar parts.

As he descended even further into his drugs, the band made a decision not to pick him up on their way to a gig (Southampton). The modern Pink Floyd was born at that moment.

They openly admit they couldn't write 3 minute singles like Syd but could write 30+ minute pieces of music.

If Syd had stayed functional Gillmore wouldn't have joined, and Floyd would never have written Darkside of the Moon, as Waters took over the writing of material after the void left by Syd.

Theres loads of stuff out there on this. I've tried to load a picture of Syd from 1974 but can't.

It really is a crying shame how he turned out, even the band didn't recognise him when he rocked up at Abbey Road studios in 1974 sometime during the Wish You Were Here recording sessions.

I think the second album A Saucerful of Secrets after Syd left was the most influential in Floyds development but thats the Gilmore/Wright influence.

The first time we hear Gillmore/Wright harmonies in the Celiestal Voices part of the track ASFOS.

But hey I like both Syds Pink Floyd and Waters Pink Floyd.

However I haven't supported Gillmore's or Water's solo career I'm not interested it ain't Pink Floyd.
 
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