How much uncertainty is there in the squad?

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Didsbury Dave

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There is undeniably lots of uncertainty about the managerial situation at City. Some of you don't like it but the truth is that lots of people are under the impression that things may well change in the summer.

This is not a thread to discuss the merits of our manager or any other manager. That's been done to death on other threads and tempers are getting frayed amongst normally friendly posters.

I just wonder what effect this instability is having on the squad and back-room staff and obviously, will it affect our performances on the pitch?

What does everyone think?
 
Very interesting question DD, pointless asking it on here though as there are less than a handfull of posters who would have a clue what any of the players might be thinking and I very much doubt they'll be revealing their mates' true thoughts.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
There is undeniably lots of uncertainty about the managerial situation at City. Some of you don't like it but the truth is that lots of people are under the impression that things may well change in the summer.

This is not a thread to discuss the merits of our manager or any other manager. That's been done to death on other threads and tempers are getting frayed amongst normally friendly posters.

I just wonder what effect this instability is having on the squad and back-room staff and obviously, will it affect our performances on the pitch?

What does everyone think?
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I think there is a lot of uncertainty and I am sure the effects on some players is greater than others as an example I'm sure Kompany is pretty happy although looks like Ireland/SWP aren't. I'm sure over time this will improve when people find out what their role at the club is, but will we be looking for a new manager as players start to settle, starting the cycle again?
 
Didsbury Dave said:
There is undeniably lots of uncertainty about the managerial situation at City. Some of you don't like it but the truth is that lots of people are under the impression that things may well change in the summer.

This is not a thread to discuss the merits of our manager or any other manager. That's been done to death on other threads and tempers are getting frayed amongst normally friendly posters.

I just wonder what effect this instability is having on the squad and back-room staff and obviously, will it affect our performances on the pitch?

What does everyone think?
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What's is your problem DD - is it that the thought your beloved Jose might go to manage another PL club is just too painful for you to bear?
 
True. I think that all that can be said is that most of us fans acknowledge how much is being asked of the players and staff, and the fact that we have the money and we want it asap does not mean that it is any easier to achieve. 'We' being the fans and the owners too.

When you look at the last few performances, something not right there. I mean, so badly in the first half but so much improved in the second? Chelsea match too, even though the result kind of swept it under the carpet. Mancini seems to be able to fix it at half time, so maybe it is mental. But then you'd think they'd be no issue at the start of the match either, so maybe it's more tactical.

I think ultimately (and I hope also) that we have too many pros to let things like that get to us - regardless of how they felt off the pitch I can't imagine guys like Lescott and Kompany letting it detract from their performance on the pitch. I admit I do have my concerns about one or two others, but I'm far removed from that actual circle so hopefully just misplaced and misguided by the media.
 
johnny crossan said:
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Gosh, you're right as always, Johnny. I'm sure if the players do read this thread that will be our top four chances gone forever. This one and the "Blue and White coz Mancini is shite" thread.

Mods please remove. Players and management, please ignore.
 
It has been said before but there has been a big change in the way Mancini approaches the game and training and it has caused problems. Given talked about the emphasis on tactics when all the players want to do is play 'footie'.

I do think though that the players, even though some just don't 'get it', have done their utmost to carry out the managers gameplan. Its been painful at times and hasn't always worked but if we want to be a top 4 or a force in Europe then you have to put in the work. Going out and just 'playing footie' doesn't cut it at the highest level.

I look forward to tomorrow's thread from DD subtly implying that Mancini is wank/only a caretaker/we are doomed or whatever the meme of the day will be :)
 
There shouldn't be uncertainty. They have a target of getting into the top four and they should all be pulling together to make that happen. They should all be focussed on that and nothing else, there is no uncertainty about it - break the top four. If there is uncertainty, you have to ask why it is affecting some players and not others.
 
In answer to the question, there must be quite a degree of uncertainty in the squad because of the 6month clause in RM' contract.....I wonder whether the same amount of uncertainty would be prevelent if we were currently 2nd in the league?
 
Changing managers all the time creates uncertainty and Mancini's appointment and the way it was done has fueled uncertainty.

At the moment there will be a lot of players who suspect they are going to have to leave/will be forced to leave come the end of the season.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
There is undeniably lots of uncertainty about the managerial situation at City. Some of you don't like it but the truth is that lots of people are under the impression that things may well change in the summer.

This is not a thread to discuss the merits of our manager or any other manager. That's been done to death on other threads and tempers are getting frayed amongst normally friendly posters.

I just wonder what effect this instability is having on the squad and back-room staff and obviously, will it affect our performances on the pitch?

What does everyone think?
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There is always uncertainty at top football clubs. Look at Inter, nobody knows what will happen there next season but it didn't seem to effect them last night.
 
Its an interesting point and will depend on whether the players have been given any reassurances that Mancini will still be around next season, despite speculation outside the club suggesting otherwise. If not, it could well affect them, as we've seen at other clubs (and our own with Sven) when it was clear a manager's days were numbered. Having said that, you would hope the prospect of Champions League football would motivate them enough.
 
Yes, there's definitely too much uncertainty in the squad. How can there not be when I imagine other than Tevez (and maybe AJ), there isn't a single player who is even close to assured of a place at City at the end of this season.

In many ways it's much the same uncertainty which was there last season, and which will continue to be there until such time as someone instills the belief in the players that they themselves are good enough to grow and move forward with City, rather than giving them the impression that they are simply plugging a gap until a better player can be brought in.
 
There's huge uncertainty in the squad, simply because if we finish 4th, and then qualify for the champions league, we will be bringing in at least half a new team, if we don't then some of them will get another season.

The manager situation will have little or nothing to do with it, because the same will apply no matter who the manager is come August 31st.
 
BillyShears said:
Yes, there's definitely too much uncertainty in the squad. How can there not be when I imagine other than Tevez (and maybe AJ), there isn't a single player who is even close to assured of a place at City at the end of this season.

In many ways it's much the same uncertainty which was there last season, and which will continue to be there until such time as someone instills the belief in the players that they themselves are good enough to grow and move forward with City, rather than giving them the impression that they are simply plugging a gap until a better player can be brought in.
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Spot on.

Our club needs a great leader.
 
cleavers said:
There's huge uncertainty in the squad, simply because if we finish 4th, and then qualify for the champions league, we will be bringing in at least half a new team, if we don't then some of them will get another season.

The manager situation will have little or nothing to do with it, because the same will apply no matter who the manager is come August 31st.
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I disagree with this ever so slightly. Although there is an element of "what if" about this season's final league placing, I imagine much like last season, most players know that ADUG will again go shopping this summer irrespective, so the changes are inevitable. It's in moments like that that the players look to the manager to put an arm around their shoulder and assure them of their future. Or at least to give them some positive encouragement.

I wonder how Toure feels for example. Irrespective of whether or not we think he's good enough, the fact is that in August he was the new club captain. By February he can't even get in the team. What about SWP? Clearly he's unsettled. There are others in there too, and not just those who can't get a game.

You can argue that most of those players don't have a future at City anyway, but honestly, it stinks of very poor man management when in one of the most important seasons in our modern history, coming into the business end of the season, with a huge goal to try and achieve, too many senior players don't know whether they're coming or going...

Before I get savaged by the usual suspects, I'm NOT blaming Mancini when I talk about poor man management. I'm talking about above him. The powers that be. The way things have been handled all season. In ANY business, if the decision makers and power brokers, don't COMMUNICATE with the people on the ground who make your business tick, (in this case the players), then it is always going to lead to uncertainty...
 
its an interesting subject, as im never quite sure if we dramatise things due to the fact we all love city, and the players clearly dont. (its simply a job for most so hardly excusable)

however if you compare to any large business/organisation whereby there's a(another) new management team, and changes happening to the structure and direction of the business, then any present staff member is probably going to feel under pressure.... rightly or wrongly... as its human nature.

However, i feel we dont help ourselves at all. we have had ample opportunity to create a seige mentality this year due to all the bad press/negativity and i just dont feel we have done that. is that a result of uncertainty?

im never quite sure if due to blind love i always feel like we have it harder than anyone else... or is it that we just love to make it hard for ourselves?

either way, uncertainty in any walk of life is usually follows inconsistency.
 
We need to retain Mancini, otherwise we're back to square one again.

We didn't give Hughes and his squad time to prove themselves. The squad we have now is Hughes' team, that's where the uncertainty comes in, because no-one knows where they fit into Mancini's plans. The owners said over the summer that they'd "accelerated their player aquisition schedule due to the current market conditions", and that they wouldn't be wholesale changes on this scale in the future, but every time you get a new manager they insist in 4-5 of their own signings. There is no point, with our money and ambition, buying squad players. Everyone we sign will either be an up and coming youngster or a world class talent, therefore everyone in the squad is looking over their shoulder, nervous not to make a mistake or get injured because it could be them gone in the summer.

If we get a new manager, and then another one, and another one, soon we'll end up with a bloated squad on inflated wages and won't be able to offload any of them. I know folk will say "so what?! we've got the cash!" but the whole idea of financial stability and self sufficiency is important, and will become even more so in the future. The owners will want some form of return on their investment
 
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