how small we really are

[George Hannah]

No. What's happened is that you, and others, who perhaps have a particular belief system(?), have misconstrued what he actually said. In that clip he twice mentions us "perhaps" being unique in the "galaxy" and once calls it the "Milky Way". Not the entire universe. Or even a hint that he's talking multiverses...

It makes me question whether you know the difference...?

You also seem to have a Damocletian hearing affliction. Please have the grace to listen to his programme for goodness sake. His conclusions are perfectly clear and what you consider my or your belief system construes is utterly irrelevant. On the subject of multiverses, it may well be that I don't grasp the concept, if you do well, congratulations, but if you listen to the end of the programme you will learn a little more at least.

I'm always learning George. Always.

In the clip you posted, he does NOT say anything other than it is his opinion that we may be unique in our own Galaxy/The Milky Way. The word universe wasn't mentioned.

As for what he said on the rest of the programme, I can't comment as I haven't heard it... Yet. But I will be watching it at some point so I'll listen carefully. Just for you.

If you're going to post something to prove a point then it might help you if it did just that.

Maybe it's his use of the word "inifinite" that you're struggling with? And in that regard you're the one that's being "Damocletian".

;-)

yes, his use of 'infinite' and everybody else's to be fair and if Damo struggles with it too it shows what a clever chap he is ;-)

 

[Damocles]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

 

[tonea2003]

He uses the phrase "we are an island of meaning in an infinite sea of stars" his tweet assertion that other civilizations 'WILL exist' is clearly predicated on the concept of a multiverse.

Someone said you are religious in a previous post. You do seem to use religious reasoning to make your point. Countless times I have been told how the bible is very clear but has been misinterpreted except by the religious person. That seems to be happening here.
His reason for posting that tweet was because he was questioned about what the DM article had said. He even made a clarification on what he meant in an interview.
Yet you still seem to take it as how you want to believe. It's all ''very clear'', but only to you somehow.

this is exactly what he is doing mate, he has form

 

[George Hannah]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

So not only do you misrepresent the Words of Brian Cox. You also completely misrepresent the atheist community.
The point of the thread is to show how small we truly are in the grand scheme of things. And that is undeniable with the proof of what little we actually know about the Universe.
Some seem to believe the fact that we haven't been visited by another intelligent life form (that we can prove) is somehow proof that we are the only ones. Yet we have barely broken the edge of our own solar system. Even then that was with what can now be regarded as primitive technology. On all the other habitable planets there can just as easily be very intelligent life forms looking up at the stars and wondering where life may reside in the universe.

 

[George Hannah]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

So not only do you misrepresent the Words of Brian Cox. You also completely misrepresent the atheist community.
The point of the thread is to show how small we truly are in the grand scheme of things. And that is undeniable with the proof of what little we actually know about the Universe.
Some seem to believe the fact that we haven't been visited by another intelligent life form (that we can prove) is somehow proof that we are the only ones. Yet we have barely broken the edge of our own solar system. Even then that was with what can now be regarded as primitive technology. On all the other habitable planets there can just as easily be very intelligent life forms looking up at the stars and wondering where life may reside in the universe.

I'm not misrepresenting anybody friend. Actually as a rule I like to support minority interests but in the case of the atheist community I'm sure you have all the sustenance you need from your zillions of fellow travellers down the various atheist internet portals.

 

[Damocles]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

It's amazing how quickly you can turn a discussion on science into a thread all about your religion and how you dislike atheists.

I cannot believe how slow I've been on the uptake here. I thought you were arguing a position based on something Cox said because you believe it was misrepresented by people on the thread. I've only just worked out that you NEED somebody to try and say that humans are unique and the only intelligent life because yet again it fits into your religious view. We're arguing about science and you cannot join in in good faith because to do so would compromise your religious views. That's why we will never agree on these things. I'm arguing out of evidence and logic with no particular investment which way an issue falls whereas every issue has to fall on the same side as your book says.

If you cannot seperate your religious views from your scientific understanding of the Universe then you really should give threads like this a miss as you're only going to spark arguments and not debate. You do fine on philosophical issues but we're not talking philosophy here, we're talking about science and you interpret every single thing seemingly in the entire Universe through the lens of your religion. You're a fine example of why religious people are so annoying in this context.

 

[tonea2003]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

wow what paranoia george
when i started this thread atheism couldn't have been further from my mind
i am constantly blown away by the size and majesty of our universe and the video i posted, i thought showed very well how small we are within it
that was it!! nothing else

 

[tonea2003]

It's simple really.

If he said what George Hannah believes he said then he's considered to be wrong in current thinking and certainly not following current consensus.

If he isn't then this is another one of those George Hannah threads where he continues to argue against insurmountable evidence.

He's also a High Energy Physicist and has no real knowledge or training in the field of Astrobiology so is by no means an expert no matter what he said. I don't know why people are getting so caught up in what this guy thinks about the chances of alien life. He's as qualified on the subject as a Formula 1 mechanic.

So he's probably not wrong, but if he is then it doesn't matter because he's the wrong sort of physicist anyway. lol. Anyway check out the credits at the end the programme for a list of the other unreliable garage mechanics.

This is a George Hannah thread you say? Another cracker! It's actually yet another thread started by our little BM colony of atheists so they can rub up to each other to keep warm in what they sagely consider a meaningless, purposeless void. Bolstering each other's spirits by sniggering at the gullible masses, concocting home-made moral principles and telling each other how clever and brave they are has been spoiled by one of their own being sceptical about aliens. A principal entertainment along with sci fi games etc in their self-inflicted absurdity has been offed and not even a deity to blame for their misery.

It's amazing how quickly you can turn a discussion on science into a thread all about your religion and how you dislike atheists.

I cannot believe how slow I've been on the uptake here. I thought you were arguing a position based on something Cox said because you believe it was misrepresented by people on the thread. I've only just worked out that you NEED somebody to try and say that humans are unique and the only intelligent life because yet again it fits into your religious view. We're arguing about science and you cannot join in in good faith because to do so would compromise your religious views. That's why we will never agree on these things. I'm arguing out of evidence and logic with no particular investment which way an issue falls whereas every issue has to fall on the same side as your book says.

If you cannot seperate your religious views from your scientific understanding of the Universe then you really should give threads like this a miss as you're only going to spark arguments and not debate. You do fine on philosophical issues but we're not talking philosophy here, we're talking about science and you interpret every single thing seemingly in the entire Universe through the lens of your religion. You're a fine example of why religious people are so annoying in this context.

you beat me to it( george will deny it ) but that i feel was his reason for championing cox has he did

 

[blueish swede]

First, to be clear to everyone where my agenda lies - I am a radical athiest.

Second, Brian Cox is a yonner.

Third, his lack of undestanding of some quite simpe things are pretty remarkable - a good example is the rules of tackling in football which in Cox's case aproach those of Paul Scholes. I have empirical evidence of this. Any decent BM cold case team could probably find evidence on the 5-a-side pitches under the Mancunian Way.

He does however have a very good grasp of astrophysics and cosmology. Particle physics and astrophysics are fundamentally the same subject viewed from two different perspectives.

All that being said we, the people alive on earth today, are alone in the universe* and we will die knowing we are alone in the universe. Anything beyond that is postulation and as useful as a discussion on angels balancing on the head of a pin.


*If we are alone as intelligent life in the galaxy we are to all intents and purposes alone in the universe.