How would you change things/reignite the squad now?

work on new tactics and formations

work on set piece creation in training

Keep vinny fit

Play Yaya further forward

adapt the formation based on our opponent.

4231 is too easy to play against.

Show the team our early performances this season and compare the performance from then to now

Bring Khaldoon into the dressing room to ignite their desire to win. It wouldn't surprise me if he could get more out of the players than Pellegrini can now.

Offer players individual bonuses for the last 10 games of the season. Money based on what they can achieve for team individually. i.e. defenders and gk get £x for x amount of clean sheets. etc.

Play the strongest 11 against Liverpool, Winning a trophy now could really help push us on.

Take risks with formation, go 3 at the back when it can benefit us. Play 2 up front before we go a goal down. Be pro active not reactive.

Drop Sterling for a bit.
 
supercity88 said:
Pellegrini needs to sort himself out though. He seems to have forgotten all the things he learnt over his first season. He's not got the team playing to one style and that's just costing us so many games because whilst one player is pressing, the rest are dropping off, and some aren't even doing anything (kolarov) so we're being torn apart.

Despite picking an 11 of his choice, using youth players on Sunday, he still managed to pick a side that lacked balance... was it 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 because on paper it should have been a 4-3-3 but Faupala and Nacho were both very central and Manu Garcia seemed to be largely on the right of the pitch... if the manager is just picking names and not thinking about shape then there's a huge problem. Delph has been used as a "winger" of sorts at times. He's just completely lost it.
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I'd actually like to know when he actually ever had it?
Consider the away game at Klanfield in 2014. Every man and his dog knew how Liverpool were going to play. So Peller' plays a midfield 2 we do the slow start thing and very quickly we go 2 down. We get it back to 2-2 and lose as a result of a sliced clearance but if we hadn't given them the 20 minute gift at the start of the game we would have won.
He never, ever considers the strengths of the opposition and It happens time and time again.
I call it incompetence.
I also think we'll get smashed next Sunday for exactly the same reason.
He should have been fired last summer. A complete and utter waste of a season.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I'd actually like to know when he actually ever had it?
Consider the away game at Klanfield in 2014. Every man and his dog knew how Liverpool were going to play. So Peller' plays a midfield 2 we do the slow start thing and very quickly we go 2 down. We get it back to 2-2 and lose as a result of a sliced clearance but if we hadn't given them the 20 minute gift at the start of the game we would have won.
He never, ever considers the strengths of the opposition and It happens time and time again.
I call it incompetence.
I also think we'll get smashed next Sunday for exactly the same reason.
He should have been fired last summer. A complete and utter waste of a season.
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He had us playing some lovely stuff. But opposition managers figured out pretty quickly that we played the same way week in and week out. It became predictable. All of a sudden teams started playing with 9 men behind the ball, we struggled.

I don't know when it happened, and I can't put my finger on why, but something has happened that stops our build up, exactly 25 yards from goal, we just pass the ball out to full back or wide players and get stuck out in the corner, ending up back at centre back and switched, repeat ad nauseam.

The premier league while lacking in pure footballing technique will find you out in other ways. You can't send a team out with the same instructions, week in, week out. The gap between the top 6 and the rest isn't like other European leagues where it is practically a chasm.

I like Manuel. I think he is a decent manager. He has been too loyal to some players and he's suffered for it. Time catches up with all of us, and for this squad and this manager it has this season.

I wish him all the best. He's won us silverware. Handled himself with great dignity and had us playing some of the best football I've seen for 18 months. Not a bad caretaker.
 
3-5-2 has long been my favoured formation too. Cover all over the pitch and much less prospect of being over-run.

Kompany could be the middle man of the three in his sleep with his slippers on (although in hindsight he probably wouldn't be wearing his slippers whilst asleep in any event), Ota (stay on your feet) to his right, Mangle (if deemed up to it) to the left.

Obviously, having good enough wing-backs is the key to the formation though. I like Kolly (though am clearly in the minority) but fear that Zabs has 'gone'
 
Harvster said:
3-5-2 has long been my favoured formation too. Cover all over the pitch and much less prospect of being over-run.

Kompany could be the middle man of the three in his sleep with his slippers on (although in hindsight he probably wouldn't be wearing his slippers whilst asleep in any event), Ota (stay on your feet) to his right, Mangle (if deemed up to it) to the left.

Obviously, having good enough wing-backs is the key to the formation though. I like Kolly (though am clearly in the minority) but fear that Zabs has 'gone'
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you could (in theory) utilize Navas and Sterling in the wide positions. Both extremely pacey and both work sufficiently hard enough to do a job there.

Also, with the pace in the back line, you wouldn't have to worry about the low high line we currently employ because Demichelis is scared shitless of pace.

If you look at all the top teams when they dominate possession, the last man is generally standing on the half way line or close to it, that is a high line. You make the pitch smaller to defend for your midfielders. recently, when we lost the ball in midfield, there is a 40 yard gap between our midfield and defence. It's ludicrous. I've seen some on here blame the midfielders for not giving enough protection to the back 4, but it is impossible for them to make repeated 50 yard sprints to get back around the ball.

Putting the squeeze on like this allows the forward players to press with intensity. Otherwise what you get is a retreating team, with the forwards isolated, midfielders dropping in and teams dominating possession (spurs must have knocked the ball around the back for 20 minutes)

If you play against Barcelona, where you don't expect to have possession, then you play the 18 yard box defence, fine. two banks, covering all gaps. Like Inter did a few years ago. They gave a master class in it. You sacrifice possession up the pitch, play pace up top and hope Sergio can bail you out.
 
The only thing most of them understand is cash, just offer them big bonuses for each win. I can guarantee you'll see a difference
 
CTID1988 said:
The only thing most of them understand is cash, just offer them big bonuses for each win. I can guarantee you'll see a difference
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I suspect you are wrong. They all have so much cash, I'd be surprised if offering them some more is the issue. They need motivating with good management as opposed to demotivating with laughable management.
 
I'm not getting worried yet. In the last three games, we've had one where we played terribly and lost, one where we had the best chances and got screwed over by the referee, both against the two best teams in the league at the moment, and then our youth team plus our second string senior squad lost to a Chelsea team that have been unbeaten under Hiddink (I think).

But yeah, it's not often a goalkeeper saves a penalty and you can still say he was comfortably the worst player on the pitch.
 
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we need a miracle,so.....
 
Take them out of the CFA Spa and back to that hill in Carrington to get the slackers properly fit. Not heart moniter, data read out, sports science fit, but actually able to run for 90 minutes. More Rocky less Drago.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I'd actually like to know when he actually ever had it?
Consider the away game at Klanfield in 2014. Every man and his dog knew how Liverpool were going to play. So Peller' plays a midfield 2 we do the slow start thing and very quickly we go 2 down. We get it back to 2-2 and lose as a result of a sliced clearance but if we hadn't given them the 20 minute gift at the start of the game we would have won.
He never, ever considers the strengths of the opposition and It happens time and time again.
I call it incompetence.
I also think we'll get smashed next Sunday for exactly the same reason.
He should have been fired last summer. A complete and utter waste of a season.
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He's a fraud mate, won the league and cup with Mancini's work. Since undone it and sent us into the wilderness.
 
supercity88 said:
I'd first of all decide what style of football I want the side to play, I'd then organise the side into a formation I thought would best execute that against the opposition and I'd then pick the best players to fit that formation and perform to the required standard.

Funny how simple it is really but it's where we've been going wrong.

I really hope this rest that the players have had will see them find form. A chance to get over niggles and just recover ready for the final stint of the season with three trophies up for grabs.

Pellegrini needs to sort himself out though. He seems to have forgotten all the things he learnt over his first season. He's not got the team playing to one style and that's just costing us so many games because whilst one player is pressing, the rest are dropping off, and some aren't even doing anything (kolarov) so we're being torn apart.

Despite picking an 11 of his choice, using youth players on Sunday, he still managed to pick a side that lacked balance... was it 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 because on paper it should have been a 4-3-3 but Faupala and Nacho were both very central and Manu Garcia seemed to be largely on the right of the pitch... if the manager is just picking names and not thinking about shape then there's a huge problem. Delph has been used as a "winger" of sorts at times. He's just completely lost it.
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I reached the conclusion long ago that the manager knows very little about tactics probably even less than a lot of people on here. His strength seems to be displaying calm, PR and man management in a broad sense. But his rather inflexible attitude and dated football philosophy are starting to cost us big time.
 
3 4 2 1

------------- hart-------------

-----ota-----kompany---mangala

Navas---dinho-----delph-----sterling

----------silva-----------kelech-------

-----------------Sergio------------------

Don't play the offside trap for the rest of the season and lock pellekeegan in a cupboard with a tartan flask and some Werther originals
 
hilts said:
3 4 2 1

------------- hart-------------

-----ota-----kompany---mangala

Navas---dinho-----delph-----sterling

----------silva-----------kelech-------

-----------------Sergio------------------

Don't play the offside trap for the rest of the season and lock pellekeegan in a cupboard with a tartan flask and some Werther originals
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i like that line up
 
DJBusinesscake said:
i like that line up
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It's been around a while, you play it in triangles or the power of three

Ota dinho navas
Kompany dinho delph
Mangala sterling delph
Navas silva Sergio
Delph sterling kelechi
Sterling kelech Sergio
Silva,kelechi, Sergio

And a few more if I could be arsed quoting them all

Always an option on the ball, always 3 trying to win it back

Added bonus plenty of pace in the team and not one plodder

Expect to see however a 4 2 3 1 on paper but turns out to be 4 4 1 1 with silva wide and toure going forwards when he should be going back and going back when he should be going forward

Obviously this is based on players being fit for the rest of the season, sterling would have to play right and clichy left until navas is fit
 
Because i hate playing wing backs. Out of possession you end up with 5 at the back and out numbered in midfield. Turnover of possession you end up with huge gaps behind your wing backs and down the channel of your centre backs.

More centre backs means worse possession too as they get too many touches and they are typically your poorest footballers.
 
jakeplattinblue said:
work on new tactics and formations

work on set piece creation in training

Keep vinny fit

Play Yaya further forward

adapt the formation based on our opponent.

4231 is too easy to play against.

Show the team our early performances this season and compare the performance from then to now

Bring Khaldoon into the dressing room to ignite their desire to win. It wouldn't surprise me if he could get more out of the players than Pellegrini can now.

Offer players individual bonuses for the last 10 games of the season. Money based on what they can achieve for team individually. i.e. defenders and gk get £x for x amount of clean sheets. etc.

Play the strongest 11 against Liverpool, Winning a trophy now could really help push us on.

Take risks with formation, go 3 at the back when it can benefit us. Play 2 up front before we go a goal down. Be pro active not reactive.

Drop Sterling for a bit.
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Spot on !
I'm bored with Pellegrini .
I'm sure a fan at the Etihad could inspire these players more than Manuel .
 
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