meldrew
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There's no smoke without fire!
Hughes and the players meeting
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There's no smoke without fire!
Thanx4Knives
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zandvoort blue said:
I am at the minute lol
Obviously that question was hypothetical
Players with high technical skills do not need the same fitness training as headless chickens who just run after every ball and kick players. If we want to be a top 6 team we need skill not braun. Sven had many failings but his atitude was all training will be with a ball and all passes will be short and to a player wearing the same shirt. Even with players not of the correct skill level we finished much higher then our current position using the hoof the ball and run philosophy of our currant Manager. Hughes states his teams always play better in the second half of the season, this is due to the fact that they are out of all cup games and just play once a week, so being fitter works against equally unskilled teams allowing him to pick up enough points to stay mid table
bluegorton
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If Sven was still in charge we wouldn't have to have this debate.
We'd just walk into Carrington and watch what they're doing, if we could fight our way past the friends and agents hanging around.
We'd just walk into Carrington and watch what they're doing, if we could fight our way past the friends and agents hanging around.
Or chat with him at one of the many fans forums he attended... Not one single one has been arranged under Hughes. I met Pearce and Sven so often it got embarrasing saying to them, "sorry already have your autograph, please let me past to get Kelvins"bluegorton said:
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sweenyuk said:
If you like that sort of thing...were you enlightened as to why we were shit then too, or was that question a no no?
bluegorton
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sweenyuk said:
So you'd have either of them back?
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Bluebeer said:
i meant future signings when i said world class players.
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Out of interest does anybody on here know of any top team either here or in europe where the have a ultra tough training programme.
meldrew
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Barcelona and Bayern Munich, doesn't work out too bad for them does it?
bluegorton
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sweenyuk said:
We do pass it around when we have the ball,I'm sure Hughes wasn't telling Richards to hoof it every time he got it on Saturday,Hughes has finally got Ireland firing,Kompany seems happy to do a shift every time,after an initial period of success neither Sven nor Pearce could motivate the players into giving a decent performance. A bad manager responds to fans chants(if you mean fans suggesting tactical changes/subs),he's in charge,that's the point. I don't want to meet the players/staff,but I'm sure your autograph book is very impressive.As for him celebrating goals,are you not too busy jumping around yourself to notice. Pearce used to celebrate throw ins, making a right prat of himself at times too.
Point is,if Hughes goes cos of a players revolt, are they gonna work any harder for the next boss? Maybe, until he upsets them.
rastus
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Hard but possibly different, different staff, wouldnt presume its the same given our injurys and looking knackerd on the pitch. I felt sorry for Zab he looked absoluttely knackerd.meldrew said:
But saying that all our traning staff have an NVQ level 1.
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bluegorton said:
You cant credit Hughes for Ireland the lad has done that all on his own!
bluegorton
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davefrombury said:
In an MEN interview earlier in the season Ireland credited Hughes for "giving him the confidence to express himself on the pitch", but when was the horse's mouth ever a reliable source.
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sweenyuk said:
I would also add 'has a trophy-winning CV' to that.
TonyGrealishstache
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So what about the Wenger factor? Extended the careers of an aging back line by about 2 or 3 seasons with enhanced fitness and diet regime. Enabled player to peak at the right time, using a combination of sport science and common sense. I would imagine most 'modern' managers employ similar tactics and regimes. Each player will have an individually designed training programme specific to his build, position, and age, strengths, weaknesses and dietary requirements.
Dixon and Adams are on the record with their opinions of Wenger when he fist joined Arsenal; what the f**ks all this about or words to that effect. They are also on the record thanking him for extending their careers (and adding to their trophy collections). Now I appreciate this doesn’t link directly to our team or squad, but the comparisons in terms of regime change are stark. Bruce Rioch to Arsene Wenger - SGE to Hughes = chalk and Brie.
That all sound great, but it cant stop you getting turned over by a ‘lesser’ side who have just had steak, chips and a can of Coke for their pre match lunch if you think your superior ability with coast you through; or you just cant be arsed. All the sport science and fitness in the world doesn’t matter one bit if you cant be bothered.
In terms of Hughes being cold to younger players or players in general, do you think bacon face or benitez do the butty run in the morning and share their Itune collections with the players? No, arm round when needed, hairdryer when needed, and ego massage when needed, aloof and pig ignorant most of the time.
I can’t stand watching my lad doing fitness training, he's a kid, and he doesn’t need to jog round the pitch. I can understand the shuttles runs and jumps, teaches agility and special awareness, but running, he doesn’t need it. However at the top level, enduring fitness is essential for what is a tough nine-month battle, (and by top level I include the Championship). In the next round of the FA Cup we will see the Championship sides match the Prem teams for fitness for ninety minutes - without doubt. Carlos Qeroz was a very tough trainer at the rags – and apparently he played bad cop to bacons chops good cop. The players hated the regime, but it improved them, so to suggest (and I use the term loosely) high-end players don’t need to be fit is nonsense. It’s no coincidence their fitness levels dropped the first time he left to join Real.
If we look at the situation at Blackburn, rumour has it that Ince didn’t train like Hughes, and the players were unhappy - Unhappy at what, not being worked hard enough? Does that make sense? Would you be happy if a new boss started at your place and said 'listen folks, I know the last person was real hard task master, but I am not like that - it's tools/pens/pc's down at 12 on a Friday and we're off to the pub for the arvo' And my door is always open for a chat and if your late just make the time up. Maybe you wouldn’t like it, maybe you like the structure and discipline, because deep down your a slacker and don’t need much of an excuse to skive!
Brinkmanship is a key skill in modern management, but in they days before transfer windows, players were literally gone within weeks of a new man arriving if he didn’t fancy them or knew they would/could become disruptive. Rightly or wrongly the modern manager isn’t afford such a luxury. It’s a shame its not on youtube anymore but the video of John Bonds interview and subsequent entry into the dressing room at Maine Road is stuff of legend, you can read the thoughts on the players faces.
Once Hughes has the chance to instil his philosophy, bring in players who buy into his style and stamp his authority on the squad, we will hopefully see the benefits. I imagine Wayne Bridge did his homework on Hughes the Manager, I assume he made an effort to find out about his training methods; wouldn’t be hard and if he didn’t and starts moaning three months down the line that it’s ‘too hard’ or ‘he doesn’t speak to me’ then he only has himself to blame.
This is an opinion, with a bit of rumour. The only ‘ITK’ bit is about the rags training regime under Queroz – from an ex player via a very good friend.
Fire at will.
Dixon and Adams are on the record with their opinions of Wenger when he fist joined Arsenal; what the f**ks all this about or words to that effect. They are also on the record thanking him for extending their careers (and adding to their trophy collections). Now I appreciate this doesn’t link directly to our team or squad, but the comparisons in terms of regime change are stark. Bruce Rioch to Arsene Wenger - SGE to Hughes = chalk and Brie.
That all sound great, but it cant stop you getting turned over by a ‘lesser’ side who have just had steak, chips and a can of Coke for their pre match lunch if you think your superior ability with coast you through; or you just cant be arsed. All the sport science and fitness in the world doesn’t matter one bit if you cant be bothered.
In terms of Hughes being cold to younger players or players in general, do you think bacon face or benitez do the butty run in the morning and share their Itune collections with the players? No, arm round when needed, hairdryer when needed, and ego massage when needed, aloof and pig ignorant most of the time.
I can’t stand watching my lad doing fitness training, he's a kid, and he doesn’t need to jog round the pitch. I can understand the shuttles runs and jumps, teaches agility and special awareness, but running, he doesn’t need it. However at the top level, enduring fitness is essential for what is a tough nine-month battle, (and by top level I include the Championship). In the next round of the FA Cup we will see the Championship sides match the Prem teams for fitness for ninety minutes - without doubt. Carlos Qeroz was a very tough trainer at the rags – and apparently he played bad cop to bacons chops good cop. The players hated the regime, but it improved them, so to suggest (and I use the term loosely) high-end players don’t need to be fit is nonsense. It’s no coincidence their fitness levels dropped the first time he left to join Real.
If we look at the situation at Blackburn, rumour has it that Ince didn’t train like Hughes, and the players were unhappy - Unhappy at what, not being worked hard enough? Does that make sense? Would you be happy if a new boss started at your place and said 'listen folks, I know the last person was real hard task master, but I am not like that - it's tools/pens/pc's down at 12 on a Friday and we're off to the pub for the arvo' And my door is always open for a chat and if your late just make the time up. Maybe you wouldn’t like it, maybe you like the structure and discipline, because deep down your a slacker and don’t need much of an excuse to skive!
Brinkmanship is a key skill in modern management, but in they days before transfer windows, players were literally gone within weeks of a new man arriving if he didn’t fancy them or knew they would/could become disruptive. Rightly or wrongly the modern manager isn’t afford such a luxury. It’s a shame its not on youtube anymore but the video of John Bonds interview and subsequent entry into the dressing room at Maine Road is stuff of legend, you can read the thoughts on the players faces.
Once Hughes has the chance to instil his philosophy, bring in players who buy into his style and stamp his authority on the squad, we will hopefully see the benefits. I imagine Wayne Bridge did his homework on Hughes the Manager, I assume he made an effort to find out about his training methods; wouldn’t be hard and if he didn’t and starts moaning three months down the line that it’s ‘too hard’ or ‘he doesn’t speak to me’ then he only has himself to blame.
This is an opinion, with a bit of rumour. The only ‘ITK’ bit is about the rags training regime under Queroz – from an ex player via a very good friend.
Fire at will.
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Good post Tony
I remember the John Bond thing from a programme that was on Granada years and years ago, John Bond certainly shook up the team then, we need the same now.
I remember the John Bond thing from a programme that was on Granada years and years ago, John Bond certainly shook up the team then, we need the same now.
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TonyGrealishstache said:
Some excellent points.
But givng a manager £60 mil in transfers, disharmoney amongs players and managemnt, leaks and comments from both sides.
BOTH sides, is what is happening Management v Players and that is a poor fixture in anyones books.
Even with money spent, regardless of Hughes or Adug signings, his training regime etc There is something seriously lacking in his management style.
I'll give you this example (again) and its not good
Mark Bowen: People have this impression that you are distant and quiet don't they Mark.
Mark Hughes: I think it’s a consequence of the job I do. I’m never going to be as accessible as you are, because of the demands upon my time. I’m doing lots of other things, so players don’t have that access to me anyway. That’s not artificially created, but on the field of play I think it’s very important that you have that distance. You can’t have friendships with players, you need respect and trust.
I think I earn that trust by making sure that the coaches and the people I have working with them are absolutely top quality, and as a consequence they all know that my management team knows what they are doing
Hughes is busy doing other things, rather than discuss issues, concerns, praise etc with his first team players.
That is a poor management style (for football) and for me has been the cause of disruption and poor form.