warringtonmcfc said:Remember that he is battling to revive a club that has been so steeped in mediocrity for so many years it is frightening. This would be a huge challenge for anyone irrespective of who they are.
We have accepted second best for 30 years and it will take time to change that.
The club, and a lot of the fans, still has a bit of a losing mentality. It's why we haven't been in a cup semi final or final since 1981. It's going to take a while to cleanse ourselves of this history so we are going to have to be patient!
JohnMaddocksAxe said:Also remember that he has had the most backing, support and ability to change whatever and whoever he wants given to any manager in the history of football.
I'll just repeat that, in the history of football. Since the game was invented.
Also, where does this idea come from that if a club has not been successful recently then this will hold them back as there is a mental block?
THere are hundreds of examples of managers coming into clubs and, thanks to their managerial skills, improving their fortunes - either immediately, within a few months or within a season.
Are you saying we haven't improved then? Facts suggest we have.
Blackburn is irrelevant. Different times. Just as no club could ever come up from the Championship and challenge for Champions League in their first season.
Are you saying we should be challenging for the title then? Or just Champions League. Not clear.
Are City a special case where everyone associated with the club - even though none of them were here when City were a losing club going nowhere and many have experienced success elsewhere - suddenly becomes a nervous wreck and can't handle winning. How did Dalgleish manage it at Blackburn then?
In fact, it's not even winning that people particularly want - it's just playing at a level that does justice to the ability of the players we have.
So far, under Hughes, we have 15 months of consistent under par performances, failing to get anywhere near full potential out of players.
I'm interested in this theory that City are so special, so weak minded and so weird that no manager could be expected to get really good players playing to a consistent decent standard within his first two years at the club. Could you explain it a bit more and tell us why it happens at other clubs, up and down the leagues, throughout the years, when a better manager than the previous one takes over (expecially wheh they are given the support to buy far better players too)
warringtonmcfc said:Remember that he is battling to revive a club that has been so steeped in mediocrity for so many years it is frightening. This would be a huge challenge for anyone irrespective of who they are.
We have accepted second best for 30 years and it will take time to change that.
The club, and a lot of the fans, still has a bit of a losing mentality. It's why we haven't been in a cup semi final or final since 1981. It's going to take a while to cleanse ourselves of this history so we are going to have to be patient!
What case is it that you are resting? You could go a whole season undefeated and still get relegated. Football is all about winning, not avoiding defeat. So the stat you were actually looking for was 1 win in 7. I rest my case.Citycitytid said:1 defeat in 15- I rest my case. This is a big big project for city and so far Hughes is doing very well.
warringtonmcfc said:blueinsa said:No mate, we just have to get the right man in to lead the team.....
Hughes is not that man.
He may indeed prove not to be the man but he needs a bit more time. At minimum till the end of this season.
The other thing we need to bear in mind is that the real top players still don't want to sign for us and wouldn't if we had Mourinho there. Untilwe get Champions League we are having to focus on the next tier of players down.
Citycitytid said:1 defeat in 15- I rest my case. This is a big big project for city and so far Hughes is doing very well.
ManCityFC said:warringtonmcfc said:Remember that he is battling to revive a club that has been so steeped in mediocrity for so many years it is frightening. This would be a huge challenge for anyone irrespective of who they are.
We have accepted second best for 30 years and it will take time to change that.
The club, and a lot of the fans, still has a bit of a losing mentality. It's why we haven't been in a cup semi final or final since 1981. It's going to take a while to cleanse ourselves of this history so we are going to have to be patient!
Utter bollocks mate, sorry. I have heard some crap excuses and this tops them all. If he was that interested in changing the club, why is he fucking around with this silly hoof the ball tactic, and playing players on the wrong side of midfield. The guy is a fucking clown and the only reason that more people aren't saying this, is because they expect fuck all better from us. A lot of our fans, and you are a good example, are used in this magnanimous, mediocre-loving crap, happy to be an apologist for a shite manager, because this is just City. Well I am sorry, but I don't buy into that shite, personally.
warringtonmcfc said:ManCityFC said:Utter bollocks mate, sorry. I have heard some crap excuses and this tops them all. If he was that interested in changing the club, why is he fucking around with this silly hoof the ball tactic, and playing players on the wrong side of midfield. The guy is a fucking clown and the only reason that more people aren't saying this, is because they expect fuck all better from us. A lot of our fans, and you are a good example, are used in this magnanimous, mediocre-loving crap, happy to be an apologist for a shite manager, because this is just City. Well I am sorry, but I don't buy into that shite, personally.
I am just saying we are 11 games into the season and we are on our first bad run and the knives are out. We win our game in hand we go fourth.
We are playing crap at the moment make no mistake. But all teams go through a bad patch during a season. Let's hope this is ours.
Liverpool away is a big test. Let's see how we cope there.
I am no apologist for mediocrity, far from it. Just a realist.
citoeast said:warringtonmcfc said:Remember that he is battling to revive a club that has been so steeped in mediocrity for so many years it is frightening. This would be a huge challenge for anyone irrespective of who they are.
We have accepted second best for 30 years and it will take time to change that.
The club, and a lot of the fans, still has a bit of a losing mentality. It's why we haven't been in a cup semi final or final since 1981. It's going to take a while to cleanse ourselves of this history so we are going to have to be patient!
I think even a brief examination will show we are not developing a WINNING MENTALITY and we are regressing.
To be cruel we could have a Benitez or a Tinker Man (Ranieri); but without their talent and he does not have trophies which they did.
How long do we wait before the penny drops. To be honest I would keep Hughes but insist on a clear out of Bowen and the coaching staff.