HUGHES TO GET NEW CONTRACT!!!

[M18CTID]

I don't have too much of a problem with people presenting constructive arguments as to why Hughes should be replaced, but what gets right on my fucking tits is that since September 1st 2008 the expectations of some City fans have been nothing short of embarrassingly fucking ridiculous - these fuckwits think that because we now have a seemingly bottomless pit of cash then that should compute to instant success.

It gets repeated all the time, but I rarely see anyone on here that expects, or has expected instant success. Most expect some signs that we are progressing, and some signs that we have a structure in place that will enable us to have some success in the near future.

I appreciate that some see signs, and some think that in Hughes/Bowen etc we already have the men that are best placed to see us achieve our short, medium and long term goals.

But others don't, and that is just as valid an opinion.

Personally, I think any manager will eventually achieve some success at the club if we end up spending the money that is being talked about. But I think we will achieve our objectives quicker with another manager in place.

If you feel that you have to call me (or anyone that shares my opinion) a fucktard, or numptie or fuckwit because I have that opinion then fair enough. But to me it suggests that you're really struggling to make a convincing argument to support your point of view.

Well obviously it wasn't aimed at you Moomba because you're not someone who expects instant success and let me clarify that I don't have a problem for those that can offer constructive criticism of Hughes. But believe me, there are people on here and amongst our support who think that now we have a shit-load of money then that means we should go out and buy 11 galacticos and get the best manager in the world to manage them. People like that can get to fuck for me, because they're not living in the real world and I don't want them anywhere near our club. And yes, I know those types of supporter exist at all clubs.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

I don't have too much of a problem with people presenting constructive arguments as to why Hughes should be replaced, but what gets right on my fucking tits is that since September 1st 2008 the expectations of some City fans have been nothing short of embarrassingly fucking ridiculous - these fuckwits think that because we now have a seemingly bottomless pit of cash then that should compute to instant success.

It gets repeated all the time, but I rarely see anyone on here that expects, or has expected instant success. Most expect some signs that we are progressing, and some signs that we have a structure in place that will enable us to have some success in the near future.

I appreciate that some see signs, and some think that in Hughes/Bowen etc we already have the men that are best placed to see us achieve our short, medium and long term goals.

But others don't, and that is just as valid an opinion.

Personally, I think any manager will eventually achieve some success at the club if we end up spending the money that is being talked about. But I think we will achieve our objectives quicker with another manager in place.

If you feel that you have to call me (or anyone that shares my opinion) a fucktard, or numptie or fuckwit because I have that opinion then fair enough. But to me it suggests that you're really struggling to make a convincing argument to support your point of view.

Again this comes across as impatient. I was speaking to a rag the other day and he was telling me that Chelsea had a couple of years beating them to trophies but this was because bacon face was building a team and look at them now. I think Hughes is showing signs of doing this and players like de Jong, Zab, Kompany are players who can grow and progress with the club and are far better than bringing in superstars who might be better in the short term but won't ever give a fuck about the club and will come unstuck whenever shit hits fan

Hughes is building for the long term and at the moment I think he should be given more time to see what he can do.

 

[hgblue]

He's not one year into a 3 year contract. Why would he be offered a new one??!!

Has the penny not dropped yet? This thread was clearly a wind up by the op aimed at the Hughes Outers, and I wouldn't mind betting he's quietly chuckling to himself somewhere! No final decisions on the manager's position will be made until the summer in my opinion. The conundrum facing our owners is easy to define, but not so easy to answer. If a top quality manager becomes available, do they stick or twist? If they stick, they retain the services of a good young manager who is a safe pair of hands, and offers the potential of long term success. If they twist, they hire a top manager, with a proven track record who COULD offer the prospect of some spectacular success on a much shorter time frame. What the Hughes Inners have to ask themselves is this: If we fail to win anything this year, and the (lack of) away form continues do you turn round to Mourinho and say 'thanks, but no thanks'? What the Hughes Outers need to ask themselves is this: If we win our first trophy for Thirty Three years, is it really feasible to turn round to the manager that brought that success and say 'thanks, but no thanks'? Both sides of this argument need to take a chill-pill, see how the rest of this season pans out, get behind the team and manager, then the debate can start and it will be tin hats all round on here!

 

[paphos-mcfc]

It's True!!! New cleaning contract. I heard it myself!!!

Journo: Mark, great to here you've got a new cleaning contract, was it down to your hard work?

MH: Yeah, well obviously things have been going quite well and as you know it's a work in progress what we're trying to do here at the club.

Journo: Showers were a bit dirty today though!

MH: We got caught off guard and they delivered a bit of a sucker punch, but in the second half we managed to make a couple of clean finishes. We showed more guille and determination and asked them a lot of questions.

Journo: Anything to say about the soap dishes?

MH: They were quite solid at the back and didn't conceed in the first half and obviously made it difficult for us. But we showed resiliance and composed ourselves, and managed to put them under a bit of pressure.

Journo: I noticed the floors in the changing rooms were a bit slippy today.

MH: Yeah, I think that suited us really and when it's like that, obviously everyone is going to have a bit more pace, making it a lot more faster.

Journo: And finally Mark your new mop?

MH: Outstanding, it went left, then switched and went right put in a real good performance lots of workrate, and if it keeps going like that obviously everywhere is going to improve drastically.

Journo: Thank you Mark

MH: Thanks.

 

[moomba]

Again this comes across as impatient. I was speaking to a rag the other day and he was telling me that Chelsea had a couple of years beating them to trophies but this was because bacon face was building a team and look at them now. I think Hughes is showing signs of doing this and players like de Jong, Zab, Kompany are players who can grow and progress with the club and are far better than bringing in superstars who might be better in the short term but won't ever give a fuck about the club and will come unstuck whenever shit hits fan

Depends on how you define achieving our goals. In a couple of years I would define it as challenging for a top 4 spot, and in with a chance of winning in the cups. I wouldn't think thats particularly impatient, or unrealistic.

Hughes is building for the long term and at the moment I think he should be given more time to see what he can do.

I think his summer signings were successful long term signings, I think his January business showed that he was more concerned with the here and now. Personally I think anyone will be able to build us long term witht he resources we have available. I would hope no-one writes off the short term as a time where we're only capable of taking baby steps toward our ultimate goal.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Again, some of you are missing the point, just like with Hughes past. Let me clear them up for you;

1- I don't give a rat's arse about his rag past, it honestly does not bother me one bit.

2- It's not about wanting instant success. I don't expect we'll be challenging for the league within 3 years or anything even like that. But what I don't want is for us to dilly dally around with an average manager when we can go straight to the top class bracket now. I've said all along about Hughes that it's not what he does this season or next season, it's about whether or not he can win the league for us at any point in the future and all signs tell us that is not gonna happen. As much as people want to support him he isn't a league winning manager. Like I've said elsewhere it's all about percentages; with Hughes there's no chance, with someone like Mourinho there is at least some chance.

There is something else as well and that's striking whilst the iron is hot. It's my opinion that within a decade half the premiership clubs will be owned by stupidly rich billionaires and we'd have lost our one and only opportunity to succeed at the very highest level.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Always like to do a "meaty" post when I reach a milestone (this will be post 3,000) and this is something I feel strongly about.

While there may be relatively few fans that expected "instant" success there are some. Clearly expecting instant success, such as top 4 this season, is ridiculous. Quite a few more expect us to be doing better than we are and that's understandable but that belief is still based around the notion that "He's had loads of money to spend". Some don't like Hughes simply because of his history (forgetting Brian Kidd, Denis Law, Peter Schmeichel, etc.) These people truly deserve to be called numpties in my opinion.

I don't deny money is useful but it's quite possible to spend lots of it and not succeed, like Spurs and Newcastle have for many years. Both have occasionally done reasonably well but they haven't achieved consistent success. I suspect that's largely because they've never achieved stability, apart from at Newcastle when they had Robson for 5 years, which was one of their most successful spells in the last few years.

Unlike Mourinho at Chelsea, Hughes didn't come to a successful club that just needed a bit of tinkering. We did OK last season but that was on the back of a nine game winning home run in the early part. The second half of the season was relegation form plus people forget that there was turmoil behind the scenes (and I suspect that we don't know half of it). There was a real and distinct danger of a serious financial collapse less than nine months ago. Name me one manager that has come to a Premiership club and turned its fortunes around in a season. O'Neill is an exceptional manager but we will do better under Hughes this season than Villa did under him in his first season. And he had a long run where they didn't win that season.

So there was a rebuilding job to be done and very few of the players Sven bought have figured at all, let alone consistently. We've had 30 years of almost unbroken mismanagement and lack of investment and that can't just be brushed aside or corrected in one season. I thought at the beginning of the season that 6-8th place was the realistic target and we still should be capable of getting that. If it wasn't for our shocking away form then we would be doing much better. In fact our average away points haul since 2002/3 is 19 points; if we had been on target to achieve that then we'd probably still only be in 7th place.

So let's suppose that we do finish 7th or 8th this season but next season we finish 17th. I'm pretty certain that virtually everyone would be calling for Hughes' head and with some justification. But that's exactly what happened to Everton under Moyes, when we had our own little cup final with them on the last day of the season for 16th & 17th place. (We won 5-1 to get 16th). Yet the Everton board stuck with him, they sold Rooney, invested the proceeds in a bunch of new players and have gone on from there. Moyes was saying on Sunday that it takes time to build a team the way you want it and stability is the most important factor to the players. They also need time to settle in, particularly as we're often playing with seven or eight players who are new this season (and four only arrived in January).

I don't really know what goes on behind the scenes these days but I hear some sources (e.g. Ric) say that things have changed for the better under Hughes. There are other sources that say that some people would be delighted to see the back of him (seems to be some tension between Hughes' coaching team and the youth set up).

I judge on what I see on the pitch and I think that I've seen more good football at CoMS this season than I have for quite a while. I've seen some very good players come in to the squad, which is now looking much stronger than it ever did. I believe he should be given a reasonable amount of time (three seasons) and if our owners are happy to give him that time then that should be good enough for us.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Depends on how you define achieving our goals. In a couple of years I would define it as challenging for a top 4 spot, and in with a chance of winning in the cups. I wouldn't think thats particularly impatient, or unrealistic.

Totally agree

I think his summer signings were successful long term signings, I think his January business showed that he was more concerned with the here and now. Personally I think anyone will be able to build us long term witht he resources we have available. I would hope no-one writes off the short term as a time where we're only capable of taking baby steps toward our ultimate goal.

I also think his summer signings were good and am eager to see who he brings in this summer. He knows exactly what is required for a foreign import to be a premsuccess which is not what could be said of previous managers. I think the jan signings weren't quite as good, but there's a strong argument that the team needed experience and a bit of backbone, which is what we got

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

2- It's not about wanting instant success. I don't expect we'll be challenging for the league within 3 years or anything even like that. But what I don't want is for us to dilly dally around with an average manager when we can go straight to the top class bracket now. I've said all along about Hughes that it's not what he does this season or next season, it's about whether or not he can win the league for us at any point in the future and all signs tell us that is not gonna happen.

But this so-called average manager (you described him as good before!?) is bringing in exactly the right players who can take us to the very top. Talk of him not being able to win us the league in three years time is, again, jumping the gun big time.

There is something else as well and that's striking whilst the iron is hot. It's my opinion that within a decade half the premiership clubs will be owned by stupidly rich billionaires and we'd have lost our one and only opportunity to succeed at the very highest level.

I doubt that. Again this just smacks of impatience

 

[jay_mcfc]

Al you're just defending him for defending him sake now. If Mark Hughes wins us a league within 3 years I'll give you £2000 and you can hold me to that. I think my money is safe.

Good, average, what's the difference? Either way it's not good enough!