I know we all want blame Vieira but.......

[lee-mcfc]

god your a twat

De Jong is slow and poor in the air. Poor at passing and offers nothing going forward.

In comparison Barry is slow but decent in the air and decently strong and reasonable to good at passing.

you actually have a bad unknown hatred for de jong for no reason.

 

[Sabster]

De Jong is slow and poor in the air. Poor at passing and offers nothing going forward.

In comparison Barry is slow but decent in the air and decently strong and reasonable to good at passing.

you actually have a bad unknown hatred for de jong for no reason.

No I don't - I think he is a decent player but does not deserve any hero worship whatsoever and it pisses me off a lot when people go on about him and ignore Barry.

 

[OrigamiNinja]

I am sorry but this is a fucking myth, Barry adds absolutely nothing to this team. Doesnt defend, doesnt attack and slows everything down! He is basically Charlie Adam without the quality of passing!

So what does De Jong add? (bear in mind that Barry has made more tackles and interceptions, created more chances, completed more passes, won more headers, lost less tackles, conceded less fouls)

Stats can tell you anything you want them to. I prefer to make my judgements on what I see and what I see is that we look a lot more solid in the middle when NDJ plays. I also see that Barry is not good enough as well as being slower than my dead gran and that Milner is a fucking myth! £24 million? Laughable!

 

[Vienna_70]

Vieira is simply too slow nowadays;it's as if his body cannot keep up with his brain.

When I saw PV waiting to come on at half-time, I thought 'Why not bring Zaba on instead? He can do that job.'

Mancini cost us the game by bringing on PV24, rather than Zabaleta, IMHO.

 

[Sabster]

So what does De Jong add? (bear in mind that Barry has made more tackles and interceptions, created more chances, completed more passes, won more headers, lost less tackles, conceded less fouls)

Stats can tell you anything you want them to. I prefer to make my judgements on what I see and what I see is that we look a lot more solid in the middle when NDJ plays. I also see that Barry is not good enough as well as being slower than my dead gran and that Milner is a fucking myth! £24 million? Laughable!

The £24 mill thing shows that all you do is listen to the press (it was actually 18 million plus ireland). When stats were just goals and assists I would agree with you.

But I reiterate what does De Jong do better than Barry?

 

[mancity1]

We probably need to speed up the midfield in the summer with some creativity as well.

In the meantime we just have to make do with what we have.

At least we have the funds to do so unlike some other sides.

 

[OrigamiNinja]

Stats can tell you anything you want them to. I prefer to make my judgements on what I see and what I see is that we look a lot more solid in the middle when NDJ plays. I also see that Barry is not good enough as well as being slower than my dead gran and that Milner is a fucking myth! £24 million? Laughable!

The £24 mill thing shows that all you do is listen to the press (it was actually 18 million plus ireland). When stats were just goals and assists I would agree with you.

But I reiterate what does De Jong do better than Barry?

So what was Ireland, a freebie? He was shit but he did have some monetry value at the time. Even if he was free £18 million for Milner is still laughable!

NDJ basically does everything better than Barry but that isnt saying much, whether NDJ is top notch is open to debate but he is definitely good enough to be in our side as it stands at the moment whereas Barry isnt! If I were manager Barry would never get a game!

 

[OrigamiNinja]

We probably need to speed up the midfield in the summer with some creativity as well.

In the meantime we just have to make do with what we have.

At least we have the funds to do so unlike some other sides.

The midfield has had about £100 million spent on it already, yes we have the money to add to that but how many more poor buys are we going to have to put up with before we get the right players?

 

[Love_Each_Day]

Why feel sorry for Silva he was as bad as the rest of the midfield, unbelievable how often the lot of them give the ball away.

Because everyone can have a bad game, the difference is we all know that Silva is class, he has won player of the month 3 months on the trot. I can even cut Vieira a little slack on the basis that he has been there and done it, won the lot, not really his fault that he is now 134 years old! Whereas Barry and Milner are just plain shit.

I am still sat shaking my head at the midfield in the 2nd half, I honestly dont ever remember seeing a slower midfield! 3 professional footballers and not a single one of them can run!

I see, it's just sometimes it seems as if players like Silva get off lightly because he's from Spain and has a fancy name.. or something.. Like when he was at fault for two goals scored by Everton and Villa, losing the ball in our half and not getting back, if that had been Barry he'd be murdered on here. Barry can be improved upon of course but when the team is playing well he is useful, I completely agree with you on Vieira and Milner though, can't for the life of me see why we were so insistant on signing Milner.

 

[alibobs36]

Milner was to Bobby what Crocky was to Hughes,'I must sign him at all costs'

 

[Sabster]

The £24 mill thing shows that all you do is listen to the press (it was actually 18 million plus ireland). When stats were just goals and assists I would agree with you.

But I reiterate what does De Jong do better than Barry?

So what was Ireland, a freebie? He was shit but he did have some monetry value at the time. Even if he was free £18 million for Milner is still laughable!

NDJ basically does everything better than Barry but that isnt saying much, whether NDJ is top notch is open to debate but he is definitely good enough to be in our side as it stands at the moment whereas Barry isnt! If I were manager Barry would never get a game!

What is De Jong better at?

Again I reiterate: has made more tackles and interceptions, created more chances, completed more passes, won more headers, lost less tackles, conceded less fouls (and has scored more)

Basically nothing (apart from making 1 or 2 blockbuster tackles a a game)

 

[Mike N]

The one word that crops up time and again is slow. How the hell did the world's richest football club get to this point?

Serious questions have to be asked about our signings, our team selections and substitutions.

Oh and I am a Mancini fan and want him to do well.

 

[bert38]

Well the argument over Barry and DeJong is irrelevant. We rarely win without the pair playing together.

More worryingly is that Mancini and co still think Vieira can play at this level and has done nothing despite ample time and funds to strengthen the centre of midfield. Its gonna cost us.

 

[MyJeckyllDoesntHyde]

should never play for us again

 

[OrigamiNinja]

So what was Ireland, a freebie? He was shit but he did have some monetry value at the time. Even if he was free £18 million for Milner is still laughable!

NDJ basically does everything better than Barry but that isnt saying much, whether NDJ is top notch is open to debate but he is definitely good enough to be in our side as it stands at the moment whereas Barry isnt! If I were manager Barry would never get a game!

What is De Jong better at?

Again I reiterate: has made more tackles and interceptions, created more chances, completed more passes, won more headers, lost less tackles, conceded less fouls (and has scored more)

Basically nothing (apart from making 1 or 2 blockbuster tackles a a game)

Look I am gonna end this pointless game of tennis right here. If you really dont like NDJ then by all means add him to my list. My thread is not about NDJ being better or worse than Barry it is about players who are not good enough.....Barry is definitely in this category and I dont care what the stats say, that is some fucking nerd sat there clicking his button when Barry plays a 2 yard ball backwards to show how great he is. I will make my assumptions from what I see and Barry is shit and a fucking snail!

 

[dancity19]

Mancini is the one to blame.

Im going to start by saying that I like Mancini so this is not a Mancini Out thread.

But.......

He continues to pick players that are simply not good enough, we all know its the case with Jo and Vieira but the problems go a lot deeper than that.

When he brought Vieira on tonight I just thought "Oh shit" and not because it was Vieira but because what it meant for our midfield, in the fastest, most physical league in the World we had 3 players who are the slowest, least physical in the Prem. A midfield of Vieira, Barry and Milner is quite frankly a fucking joke and it is Mancini who has put that trio together.

We all think Vieira is past it so I wont go on about him but Barry brings absolutely fuck all to this team, I have said it for months but most on here for some reason cant see it and continue with this Barry wankfest. Milner is quite frankly a fucking disgrace and apparently colour blind because he is one of the worst passers of a football I have seen at City. I would genuinely love to see his pass success rate, if it is above 5% I would be fucking amazed.

I genuinely feel sorry for the likes of Silva and Tevez because basically we have a midfield that is totally devoid of any creativity and movement.

As for Dzeko well this fella is on a hiding to nothing because he will get absolutely zero service at City. He was the one striker in World football that I wanted but I should have known really that buying a striker that thrives on crosses was gonna be wasted at a club that doesnt put the ball in the box.

As for the defence well again I feel a little sorry for them because that trio of midfielders are just a waste of space. However Boateng is a serious worry, he is so lethargic and seems to have a "couldnt give a fuck" attitude and whoever told him that he has a left foot and should cut inside more often than not wants shooting!

So out of the XI that finished the game tonight we had the following who are simply not good enough

Barry
Vieira
Milner

We also had the following which I have serious reservations about

Boateng
Toure

and we had Dzeko who must be wondering what the fuck he has joined.

So thats more than 50% of the team struggling or not good enough, so as much as I like him the blame has to go with the manager because he is the one who has put these players together!

Barry>>>>>De Jong

Hahahahaha...what is your issue with De Jong??? We haven't won when he hasn't played, and I don't think that is coincidence!

 

[sammyvine]

Vieira is on 100k a week as well.

I don't think Mancini is the right man.

Reminds me a bit like Scolari when he was at Chelsea. Good manager but not the one we need for where we want to go. I can imagine Mancini doing well at some top 6 side in Italy though, like Parlemo or Udinese. People will talk about his time at Inter, but the whole league was shite, when he won the scudetto.

I am all for giving managers time but I hate his tactics. I don't rate Mark Hughes but at least he went for it against the big sides instead of playing for a 0-0 draw despite having a team with names like Silva, Tevez, Yaya, A.Johnson, Balotelli, Dzeko. Just sums him up really.

I have a Inter supporter mate and he told me when we first hired Mancini that he isn't good enough for a team that wants to be champions of England. He said that even though the league was shit, Inter played like a mid-table team and relied on Zlatan most of the time to get them points.

 

[forevermancity]

Mancini is the one to blame.

Im going to start by saying that I like Mancini so this is not a Mancini Out thread.

But.......

He continues to pick players that are simply not good enough, we all know its the case with Jo and Vieira but the problems go a lot deeper than that.

When he brought Vieira on tonight I just thought "Oh shit" and not because it was Vieira but because what it meant for our midfield, in the fastest, most physical league in the World we had 3 players who are the slowest, least physical in the Prem. A midfield of Vieira, Barry and Milner is quite frankly a fucking joke and it is Mancini who has put that trio together.

We all think Vieira is past it so I wont go on about him but Barry brings absolutely fuck all to this team, I have said it for months but most on here for some reason cant see it and continue with this Barry wankfest. Milner is quite frankly a fucking disgrace and apparently colour blind because he is one of the worst passers of a football I have seen at City. I would genuinely love to see his pass success rate, if it is above 5% I would be fucking amazed.

I genuinely feel sorry for the likes of Silva and Tevez because basically we have a midfield that is totally devoid of any creativity and movement.

As for Dzeko well this fella is on a hiding to nothing because he will get absolutely zero service at City. He was the one striker in World football that I wanted but I should have known really that buying a striker that thrives on crosses was gonna be wasted at a club that doesnt put the ball in the box.

As for the defence well again I feel a little sorry for them because that trio of midfielders are just a waste of space. However Boateng is a serious worry, he is so lethargic and seems to have a "couldnt give a fuck" attitude and whoever told him that he has a left foot and should cut inside more often than not wants shooting!

So out of the XI that finished the game tonight we had the following who are simply not good enough

Barry
Vieira
Milner

We also had the following which I have serious reservations about

Boateng
Toure

and we had Dzeko who must be wondering what the fuck he has joined.

So thats more than 50% of the team struggling or not good enough, so as much as I like him the blame has to go with the manager because he is the one who has put these players together!

Barry>>>>>De Jong

Your clueless is you believe that pal

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Vieira is on 100k a week as well.

I don't think Mancini is the right man.

Reminds me a bit like Scolari when he was at Chelsea. Good manager but not the one we need for where we want to go. I can imagine Mancini doing well at some top 6 side in Italy though, like Parlemo or Udinese. People will talk about his time at Inter, but the whole league was shite, when he won the scudetto.

I am all for giving managers time but I hate his tactics. I don't rate Mark Hughes but at least he went for it against the big sides instead of playing for a 0-0 draw despite having a team with names like Silva, Tevez, Yaya, A.Johnson, Balotelli, Dzeko. Just sums him up really.

I have a Inter supporter mate and he told me when we first hired Mancini that he isn't good enough for a team that wants to be champions of England. He said that even though the league was shit, Inter played like a mid-table team and relied on Zlatan most of the time to get them points.

Never seen you on the forum before mate but I agree with this in all honesty

 

[wilmslowblue]

It is Mancini. How can anyone justify playing Jo and Vieira over Bellamy, Shaun Wright-Phillips and even Ireland? Having said that, I know Ireland was poor last season but at least he had hunger and time on his side, what does Vieira have?

A seriously, what must SWP be thinking? Cannot get a game over Jo, Christ. He has been pretty poor but maybe its got something to do with him playing on the left all the time.

Mancini, your tactics are flawed, get it sorted.

THIS