Ian Watkins attacked and killed in prison [P7]

domalino said:
No one is going to lose sleep over Ian Watkins’ well-being but it’s not a good thing that we can’t keep convicted criminals safe in our own prisons.

He got a fair trial and a judge and jury sentenced him to a prison term, not to be killed in prison.

hopefully he survives and serves every last day of the rest of his very lengthy term.

Unfortunately this seems to be part of a wider issue, with serious prisoner on prisons assaults up 30% on the year, deaths in custody are up 10% and suicides up 26%.
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I don't disagree with you at all, keeping him alive keeps him suffering. The wider issue for me is the grossly underpaid staff in places like this with grossly unprofessional management. A lot of old screws have been mismanaged and pushed out of the back door, replaced with young kids not cut out for the job, on nowhere near enough money to justify putting their body on the line.

The cons used to respect the old school screws as respect was earned both ways. I've spent a lot of time in jails up and down the country as a contractor and it's been very eye opening as a fly on the wall. I really worry for the future of the prison service.

Nonces are kept on different wings in jail, but also housed there tend to be those who have commited crimes against women, so a real concoction of shite. Plus the normal cons on other wings are keeping their eye out every passing minute for when sex offenders are being escorted past. Hopefully won't be the last time this piece of subhuman shit is badly hurt inside.
 
CarlosTevez'sEnglishTutor said:
I don't disagree with you at all, keeping him alive keeps him suffering. The wider issue for me is the grossly underpaid staff in places like this with grossly unprofessional management. A lot of old screws have been mismanaged and pushed out of the back door, replaced with young kids not cut out for the job, on nowhere near enough money to justify putting their body on the line.

The cons used to respect the old school screws as respect was earned both ways. I've spent a lot of time in jails up and down the country as a contractor and it's been very eye opening as a fly on the wall. I really worry for the future of the prison service.

Nonces are kept on different wings in jail, but also housed there tend to be those who have commited crimes against women, so a real concoction of shite. Plus the normal cons on other wings are keeping their eye out every passing minute for when sex offenders are being escorted past. Hopefully won't be the last time this piece of subhuman shit is badly hurt inside.
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I'm sure you're right about the prison service. It's a public institution most of us never see, but it's been just as badly effected by 13 years of austerity as the rest of the country.
 
domalino said:
I'm sure you're right about the prison service. It's a public institution most of us never see, but it's been just as badly effected by 13 years of austerity as the rest of the country.
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Probably worse tbh. Most groups can advocate and get attention and mitigation, e.g. disabled.

Almost nobody cares about prisoner's conditions and advocates on their behalf.
 
Ric said:
The Watkins case was one of the most shocking and abhorrent that I can recall in recent memory. I'm actually surprised that it's taken this long for an attack like this to happen.
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Lavinda Past said:
The prison community knows how to deal out appropriate sentences. Once again, they've got this one absolutely right.

Well done to whoever sorted the bastard out.
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Probably another nonce. Don’t they all live in the nonce wing? Horrible bastards.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Probably worse tbh. Most groups can advocate and get attention and mitigation, e.g. disabled.

Almost nobody cares about prisoner's conditions and advocates on their behalf.
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I can’t say it’s top of my list of things to give a fuck about if I’m honest.

It comes just below candle subsidies in Merseyside on my list public spending priorities.
 
It’s a sign of good writing but I found Time with Sean Bean and Stephen Graham a very difficult watch.

Richard Huckle was a prolific paedophile and was murdered inside.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I can’t say it’s top of my list of things to give a fuck about if I’m honest.

It comes just below candle subsidies in Merseyside on my list public spending priorities.
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It’s an understandable viewpoint, especially in the current economic climate. There are obviously some convicted criminals like Watkins who don’t deserve rehabilitation, but it’d be wrong to tar all prisoners with the same brush. Defunding the prison service is to the detriment of society as a whole imo. Not really the thread for it though as it probably deserves a separate discussion.
 
The world will be a better place with some sections removed permanently. This **** and his ilk are definitely in that bracket.
Your day to day prisoner obviously needs protection from some of the loon balls they find themselves locked up with, others not so much.
 
Ric said:
It’s an understandable viewpoint, especially in the current economic climate. There are obviously some convicted criminals like Watkins who don’t deserve rehabilitation, but it’d be wrong to tar all prisoners with the same brush. Defunding the prison service is to the detriment of society as a whole imo. Not really the thread for it though as it probably deserves a separate discussion.
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I don’t really disagree with that.

Personally I think a lot of people are in prison who shouldn’t be. IMO prison should be if you’re a danger to society.

People who’ve committed fraud etc should be punished but should be punished where it hurts - take all their money and assets off them and make them do community service for 5 years rather than lock them up in a cell for 5 years.

The criminal justice system is fundamentally fucked of course in this country.
 
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