Ian Watkins attacked and killed in prison [P7]

lust overlord said:
He's a sick depraved weirdo,who shouldn't see freedom in his lifetime.
Nor should he be allowed to have contact with those who allow him to revel in his notoriety.

Someone able to torture a person,or an animal has serious issues too.
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I'd quite happily torture any paedo and i don't have any issue with it. And to be politically correct I'd quite happily put them to sleep afterwards.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
He has been, to a prison with other nonces.

Does the USA execute rapists and paedophiles that haven't killed anyone?
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What a tired response!

What does the US justice system have to do with this? If my name was MossleyBlue, would it have made it easier to stay on topic?

We are discussing whether someone who committed horrendous acts with and against minors is able to be rehabilitated by being put in a secure facility where he is not going to get stabbed, beaten or anally raped to death? I think the answer is “No.” and he has self-selected himself OUT of our so-called civilized society.

As such, I see no redeeming value in locking him away in a concrete box waiting for the inevitable. He made his choice and I’ve made mine.

Death. Goodbye and good riddance.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
What a tired response!

What does the US justice system have to do with this? If my name was MossleyBlue, would it have made it easier to stay on topic?

We are discussing whether someone who committed horrendous acts with and against minors is able to be rehabilitated by being put in a secure facility where he is not going to get stabbed, beaten or anally raped to death? I think the answer is “No.” and he has self-selected himself OUT of our so-called civilized society.

As such, I see no redeeming value in locking him away in a concrete box waiting for the inevitable. He made his choice and I’ve made mine.

Death. Goodbye and good riddance.
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No it isn't irrelevant. The USA is the Western model of capital punishment.

Capital punishment has been repeatedly ruled unconstitutional for all non-homocide offences.

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Excerpts from the Supreme Court’s Ruling Barring the Death Penalty for Non-Homicide Crimes Against Individuals | Death Penalty Information Center

On May 1, 2023, the state of Florida adopted legislation allowing the death penalty for sexual abuse of a child where no death occurred. This...
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Your stance is understandable, in fact on a singular personal level I actually agree with you. Ian Watkins is a waste of oxygen, a vile and cruel man but one that had plenty of opportunity and had women throwing themselves at him but rather than just have a normal sex life, had to abuse, degrade and traumatise women, girls and babies for his own evil means.

He doesn't offer anything good to anyone. He proves that by the fact he was still grooming women from inside.

He also deserves death, even torture. There aren't any arguments against that point, he destroyed families and changed the whole path of young babies' lives.

However, those facts and arguments do not override the fact we don't have capital punishment for sound reasons.

One reason would be that killing rapists and paedophiles would actually incentivise them to murder their victims to conceal evidence.

That's just one obvious reason not to do it, there are many others, but discussion of them is better placed for another thread.
 
Barcon said:
I prefer how Dahmer was dealt with.
Arse fucked with the splintered end of a broken mop handle and then beaten to death with the shitty end.
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I’m not into torture, because I think that is a mental problem all it’s own, but I do favor ultimate punishment for crimes against humans that we place way outside of society’s norms.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
What a tired response!

What does the US justice system have to do with this? If my name was MossleyBlue, would it have made it easier to stay on topic?

We are discussing whether someone who committed horrendous acts with and against minors is able to be rehabilitated by being put in a secure facility where he is not going to get stabbed, beaten or anally raped to death? I think the answer is “No.” and he has self-selected himself OUT of our so-called civilized society.

As such, I see no redeeming value in locking him away in a concrete box waiting for the inevitable. He made his choice and I’ve made mine.

Death. Goodbye and good riddance.
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The big problem with your approach is the ‘may as well be hung for a sheep as well as a lamb’ mantra. If paedophiles were routinely executed then the number of child murders would unquestionably go through the roof.

Presumably that’s a price you are willing to pay to satisfy your blood lust.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The big problem with your approach is the ‘may as well be hung for a sheep as well as a lamb’ mantra. If paedophiles were routinely executed then the number of child murders would unquestionably go through the roof.

Presumably that’s a price you are willing to pay to satisfy your blood lust.
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And also discourage victims of intrafamilial abuse from ever reporting their male relatives because they know there's a chance they are causing their death.

Adding impossible feelings of guilt to victims who may already suffer with feelings of internalised shame and worthlessness.

There's absolutely no upside from a such a policy.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
The big problem with your approach is the ‘may as well be hung for a sheep as well as a lamb’ mantra. If paedophiles were routinely executed then the number of child murders would unquestionably go through the roof.

Presumably that’s a price you are willing to pay to satisfy your blood lust.
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Assumes facts not in evidence.

The lust for children is not the same as the lust for the power to control life and death. I’ll grant that to you IF, and only if, you can show a recognized study that supports your claim.

Fwiw, child molestation IS almost a death sentence to the child involved. It never leaves them and it colors their view of others and life.

You call my feelings “blood lust,” but it’s the exact opposite. I abhor personal violence. I think it is a human societal cancer. Accordingly, I strongly favor strict enforcement of societal penalties on those that seek to exploit others for THEIR blood lust.

An eye for an eye is not a new sentiment. In many ways, I support that, especially when the first eye is taken in an outrageous, sickening act.

I draw a sharp distinction between manslaughter and murder, but feel like child molestation (especially in a sadistic or physical domineering manner) is almost on a par with murder.

You knew the rules, especially the most serious ones. YOU get to choose your path. If that path destroys others, by choice, then my choice is to remove you from society. Permanently.

I understand some of the pitfalls, and believe there should be safeguards and checks & balances, but I’ll never believe these types of individuals deserve my grace or mercy.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
And also discourage victims of intrafamilial abuse from ever reporting their male relatives because they know there's a chance they are causing their death.

Adding impossible feelings of guilt to victims who may already suffer with feelings of internalised shame and worthlessness.

There's absolutely no upside from a such a policy.
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So, you think YOU would let your uncle keep reaming your kid and not report him if it meant, if convicted, he might be executed???

Nice.

Not much “upside” there for your kid, eh?!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
So, you think YOU would let your uncle keep reaming your kid and not report him if it meant, if convicted, he might be executed???

Nice.

Not much “upside” there for your kid, eh?!
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No I think in some circumstances abused victims wouldn't come forward because of that and would conceal it from their parents or guardians.

It's not unheard of victims of such abuse to keep quiet about their abusive uncle, father, brother or grandfather to not rock the boat of the wider family.

Adding that into the equation naturally adds to the unbearable weight of guilt on their shoulders that some victims experience (reporting such abuse is not something they should feel guilty about, but that's not how severe emotional trauma works).

I'm not sure how a public hanging of their abuser does anything for someone with complex emotional trauma.
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
No I think in some circumstances abused victims wouldn't come forward because of that and would conceal it from their parents or guardians.

It's not unheard of victims of such abuse to keep quiet about their abusive uncle, father, brother or grandfather to not rock the boat of the wider family.

Adding that into the equation naturally adds to the unbearable weight of guilt on their shoulders that some victims experience (reporting such abuse is not something they should feel guilty about, but that's not how severe emotional trauma works).

I'm not sure how a public hanging of their abuser does anything for someone with complex emotional trauma.
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Who said anything about “public”?

And, you can make the same familial argument about almost EVERY crime that would label the criminal a felon and put them inside.

People make personal choices about the crimes perpetrated against them, but, as a society, we should set a minimum standard of behavior that should not be that hard to uphold.

From there, there’s a sliding scale of punishments…with torture, murder and the exploitation of children on the far end of the scale.

Hang ‘em high!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Who said anything about “public”?

And, you can make the same familial argument about almost EVERY crime that would label the criminal a felon and put them inside.

People make personal choices about the crimes perpetrated against them, but, as a society, we should set a minimum standard of behavior that should not be that hard to uphold.

From there, there’s a sliding scale of punishments…with torture, murder and the exploitation of children on the far end of the scale.

Hang ‘em high!
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Congratulations. You are now 50% of the way to earning your first MAGA hat.
 
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