ID cards.

The Future’s Blue! said:
Out of interest, how many times have you been pulled over by the police?
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Once, mentioned it before.

No reg, no tax. They put the wrong reg in their system and ended up towing my car away before they realised their mistake.

It'll happen much more if police are allowed to randomly check ids as has been suggested. Maybe not to me, I'm foreign but dont look it.
 
moomba said:
Once, mentioned it before.

No reg, no tax. They put the wrong reg in their system and ended up towing my car away before they realised their mistake.

It'll happen much more if police are allowed to randomly check ids as has been suggested. Maybe not to me, I'm foreign but dont look it.
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So, pulled over once by genuine mistake? Were you arrested for it, and I take it you were able to show ID, to confirm who you were?

I’m genuinely confused to how you have gone from being pulled over once, by mistake may I add, to then believe you will be stopped every time you leave the house.

Sounds like it’s the fear of digital ID, with absolutely no foundation that things will get worse. Unless you’re being paid off the books, or somehow working when not entitled, that is?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
So, pulled over once by genuine mistake? Were you arrested for it, and I take it you were able to show ID, to confirm who you were?

I’m genuinely confused to how you have gone from being pulled over once, by mistake may I add, to then believe you will be stopped every time you leave the house.

Sounds like it’s the fear of digital ID, with absolutely no foundation that things will get worse. Unless you’re being paid off the books, or somehow working when not entitled, that is?
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I dont have a fear of digital ID. I have a BRP (believe it's called an e-visa now) and am happy to have one as there is a legitimate reason for me to have one.

What I dont do is carry it around with me, and I dont think it's acceptable that police can pull over someone they dont like the look of and demand they justify their existence. We know that minorities get targeted when this sort of system is in place and that isn't right in my book.

And we hear in this thread that we may never a fingerprint scanner to justify our existence when were on a day out and it might take a police car or bike half an hour to provide that scanner. Or as long as it takes.

I cant believe anyone would be in favour of this.
 
moomba said:
I dont have a fear of digital ID. I have a BRP (believe it's called an e-visa now) and am happy to have one as there is a legitimate reason for me to have one.

What I dont do is carry it around with me, and I dont think it's acceptable that police can pull over someone they dont like the look of and demand they justify their existence. We know that minorities get targeted when this sort of system is in place and that isn't right in my book.

And we hear in this thread that we may never a fingerprint scanner to justify our existence when were on a day out and it might take a police car or bike half an hour to provide that scanner. Or as long as it takes.

I cant believe anyone would be in favour of this.
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You don’t have to carry it around with you, it’s not for that. I don’t carry my phone or I-pad around, and I’m fairly sure that I won’t be forced to if this comes in. So, what I’d ask is what has changed and what makes you think that you’d be personally targeted by the police who would arrest you if you didn’t show your digital ID?
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You don’t have to carry it around with you, it’s not for that. I don’t carry my phone or I-pad around, and I’m fairly sure that I won’t be forced to if this comes in. So, what I’d ask is what has changed and what makes you think that you’d be personally targeted by the police who would arrest you if you didn’t show your digital ID?
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You have to ask yourself why people think we need digital ID.

What benefit does it give to the community.

Prove your right to work? We already have that.

Prove your right to residency. That would only work if people could make you supply that proof on demand and as @BlueRockape says they will wait as long as it takes to display that proof.

I dont think I'll be personally targeted by police. But I do think minorities will be. Not sure I ever suggested people will be arrested either. But if you have to wait for a patrol car to drop around a fingerprint scanner so you can prove your right to be in the country that's something I dont think should be accepted.
 
moomba said:
You have to ask yourself why people think we need digital ID.

What benefit does it give to the community.

Prove your right to work? We already have that.

Prove your right to residency. That would only work if people could make you supply that proof on demand and as @BlueRockape says they will wait as long as it takes to display that proof.

I dont think I'll be personally targeted by police. But I do think minorities will be. Not sure I ever suggested people will be arrested either. But if you have to wait for a patrol car to drop around a fingerprint scanner so you can prove your right to be in the country that's something I dont think should be accepted.
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People will have their views and be worried, I get that, but one where the police just pull you over for going about your own business is not one of the things I expect. None of them have time for that.

However, I do think this is part of a bigger picture where data held by multiple government sources will be interoperable. NHS, police, and so on. Moving from an analogue world into a digital age.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
People will have their views and be worried, I get that, but one where the police just pull you over for going about your own business is not one of the things I expect. None of them have time for that.

However, I do think this is part of a bigger picture where data held by multiple government sources will be interoperable. NHS, police, and so on. Moving from an analogue world into a digital age.
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Until I get some guarantees that it wont be used for stop and search I'll presume that it will be used for stop and search.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
People will have their views and be worried, I get that, but one where the police just pull you over for going about your own business is not one of the things I expect. None of them have time for that.

However, I do think this is part of a bigger picture where data held by multiple government sources will be interoperable. NHS, police, and so on. Moving from an analogue world into a digital age.
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They might not have time for it, until some future Home Secretary tells them they need to up their arrest rates…
 
marco said:
never get off the ground far to many will object, the Government will just spunk a load of money getting half way there then to cancel it, do you really trust these with your DATA?
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mosssideblue said:
Trust them with data they already have?
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Exactly, the already have the data.
Name and address? - Yes it's on my driving licence. It's on my council tax bill. It's on the electoral register.
Bank details? - I'm glad they've got them as that's where they pay my state pension every four weeks.
NI number? - Yes as it's linked to my pensions.
Blood group? - It would be handy if they knew but was that going to be on the card?
 
East Level 2 said:
Exactly, the already have the data.
Name and address? - Yes it's on my driving licence. It's on my council tax bill. It's on the electoral register.
Bank details? - I'm glad they've got them as that's where they pay my state pension every four weeks.
NI number? - Yes as it's linked to my pensions.
Blood group? - It would be handy if they knew but was that going to be on the card?
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Interesting that the data that they already keep secure is suddenly going to hurt people.
 
moomba said:
I dont have a fear of digital ID. I have a BRP (believe it's called an e-visa now) and am happy to have one as there is a legitimate reason for me to have one.

What I dont do is carry it around with me, and I dont think it's acceptable that police can pull over someone they dont like the look of and demand they justify their existence. We know that minorities get targeted when this sort of system is in place and that isn't right in my book.

And we hear in this thread that we may never a fingerprint scanner to justify our existence when were on a day out and it might take a police car or bike half an hour to provide that scanner. Or as long as it takes.

I cant believe anyone would be in favour of this.
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I suspect as it's an eVisa and therefore an app on your phone, you do carry it around with you. Just FYI, all BRPs have now expired.
 
I.D. Cards are very useful for FOCs when they forget who they are. Otherwise, I can’t see the advantages outweighing misuse by officialdom. Human rights lawyers will have a field day.
 
KS55 said:
I.D. Cards are very useful for FOCs when they forget who they are. Otherwise, I can’t see the advantages outweighing misuse by officialdom. Human rights lawyers will have a field day.
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FOC can forget who they are so no joking matter is it ?
In the case of an accident what about blood group next of kin previous . Medical problems medication.
The list is endless where they could help if you allow certain information to be put on them
 
moomba said:
I can download it if and when I need it.

At the moment I dont need it.
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Biometric residence permits (BRPs)​

Biometric residence permits (BRPs) are cards that were used to prove immigration status. You might have a BRP if you were granted permission to live or work in the UK on or before 31 October 2024.

All BRPs have now expired and have been replaced by eVisas. An eVisa is an online record of your immigration status.

If you have an expired BRP and still have permission to stay in the UK, you need to create a UK Visas and Immigration (UKVI) account to get access to your eVisa.

You should keep your expired BRP. You might be able to use it for 18 months after the expiry date printed on the card to:

You can no longer use an expired BRP for travel.
 
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