If All Else Fails, Try Another excuse......

[stony]

What the fuck is a 'caftard'?
Is it like an extra-strength idiot or something?

It's what they call themselves. You're right of course, it does sound like some new breed of super idiot.

 

[MCFC BOB]

Wait, stupid amounts of money?

City - £51m
Savic - £6m
Clichy - £7m
Aguero - £38m

United - £55m
De Gea - £20m
Jones - £17m
Young - £18m

*sigh*

 

[bluevengence]

They keep telling themselves this shit to try and
make themselves feel better

In reality not one of the jealous twats would turn
down our owners and the investment they have
put in to the club and local community

 

[cinnamon blue]

Wait, stupid amounts of money?

City - £51m
Savic - £6m
Clichy - £7m
Aguero - £38m

United - £55m
De Gea - £20m
Jones - £17m
Young - £18m

*sigh*

says it all , bang on bob

 

[jrb]

If a Rag ever mentions United haven't bought success, etc, feel free. Feel free to Quote Sir as well. (it's an Aladdins cave of quotes)

12 July, 2001

Juan Sebastian Veron has officially completed his £28.1m move to Manchester United from Lazio.

[bigimg]http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1435000/images/_1435888_fergie_veron300.jpg[/bigimg]

Argentine midfield man Veron has signed a five-year contract and becomes the most expensive player in British football history.

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson said: "When we bought Dwight Yorke, Jaap Stam and Jesper Blomqvist, they kick-started us that season, and hopefully Van Nistelrooy and Veron can do the same for us."

The United boss added: "We welcome him because he is a marvellous player, and one who brings just what we need to the team.

It's a terrific prospect...my experience of this team is that when we have signed a player of this calibre, he has done wonders for us

Man Utd manager Sir Alex Ferguson

"He brings a nice pace to the team. Every time we have bought this type of player, he has done wonders for us. "What we have done is bring in a really top player, one of the best players in the world. He is world class - a fantastic footballer.

"He's a marvellous player and Juan will bring a personality to the team which I feel we need at this moment. I feel we need a challenge.

"We have a fantastic bunch of players who have done magnificently over the years, but nothing beats a challenge.

"It's a terrific prospect and I am looking forward to it because with my experience of this team is that when we have signed a player of this calibre, he has done wonders for us.

"I never thought I would spend this much on a player. You believe it is unthinkable, but you have seen the escalation in prices.

"But it is nothing to do with the player. It is a matter between the clubs."

The 26-year-old Argentine midfielder flew into Gatwick Airport from Buenos Aires, and underwent a successful medical.

"One of the things that attracted me was what Manchester United represents in a world wide context. They also supported me when I had my passport problem at Lazio.

"I am sure I will adapt to the physical nature of the game in England. People asked me that when I first arrived in Italy, and after six months I felt I had done it.

"I am delighted to be playing alongside David Beckham. The success of a club is down to how players play on the field, not how many lines they get in a newspaper."

Come on Rags, explain this one then. Erm..........

 

[M18CTID]

I'm impressed that they've managed that level of self delusion without the aid of medication.

Also, Richards is totally getting "squeezed out by foreigners", playing over 30 games last year.

The question really is, "would you rather be shit with homegrown, or class with purchases"?

As all United fans are spoilt brats who think the world falls apart every time they don't win the Carling Cup, they'll all say the first. It's like those middle class wankers who try and glorify the "bohemian lifestyle" without understanding that there's no glamour or dignity in real poverty.

All of this talk of self reliance is lost on most of the Koreans over there, having not supported the club when they were breaking transfer records while posting losses into the millions in the late 80s, early 90s.

Indeed. And don't forget that, despite their seemingly obvious dislike of sugar daddy owners, how so many of them creamed their pants over the prospect of Michael Knighton buying the club in 1989.

-- Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:27 pm --

They keep telling themselves this shit to try and
make themselves feel better

In reality not one of the jealous twats would turn
down our owners and the investment they have
put in to the club and local community

They're full of shit mate. It's easy to take pot shots about this when they're in a position where they've been ultra-successful over the past 20 years and, Glazer's debt aside, are generating enough cash to fund their player purchases but go back to the late 80's and they were nothing more than a mid-table team that was so far behind Liverpool that they had to spend way above and beyond their means to bridge the gap, and hence plunging their club millions into debt.

No doubt they'll try and say that what they did was different, just like it was different when John Henry Davies and James Gibson bankrolled them. Well, funnily enough they're right but not in the way they'd like us all to think - what they did was different in the sense that they had far less excuse than we have now because it was a much more even playing field in those days.

They might fool some people with this idea that they've always been a self-sufficient football club but they will never fool me.

-- Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:42 pm --

I know it's an exercise in futility trying to convince you I'm being sincere, but I'd honestly detest non-football money being poured into United (a la Chelsea/City). I find it to be fundamentally immoral.

Let me think now....

John Henry Davies in the early 1900's - poured non-football money into United.

James Gibson in the 1930's - poured non-football money into United.

Louis Edwards in the 1960's - poured non-football money into United.

Not forgetting the grant they got to build the cantilever stand in 1965.

And that post I've quoted has come from what I consider to be one of the more clued-up members over there. Their re-writing of history is laughable.

-- Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:46 pm --

"With City spending stupid amounts of money again this summer"

Have the filth not spent a similar sum of lucre this summer?

The original post was from last summer to be fair. Still, it's a post loaded with hypocrisy when you consider how many bail-outs and leg-ups United have had throughout their history. They like to say that we won the lottery in 2008. Well they've struck lucky on far more occasions than us.

 

[bluefromleve32]

out goings

savic - 7m
clichy - 7m
kun - 38m
total - 52m

incoming

tevez - 40m (at least)

conclusion - we will have spent 12m this summer on quality

scum - 55m........fucking wankers!!!

and what the fuck is a cartard or a bertie!!!!

 

[Shadz69]

They keep telling themselves this shit to try and
make themselves feel better

In reality not one of the jealous twats would turn
down our owners and the investment they have
put in to the club and local community

This is underestimated by a lot not knowing City.There seems to be a concerted effort from the club to engage with the fans and the community at large,I dont think that was there at chelsea and we have an owner that doesnt get involved with managing the team he leaves it to the experts.
Aguero,Tevez,Balotelli,Silva its the stuff of dreams.
Fuck man u and their fans in reality they know that if they sign a player now in all probability its because we were not interested in them.

 

[Deleted member 14625]

I posted my own thread on here not long ago called "Getting bored of other club's fans (and the media)". Here's my OP that outlines how big clubs have cometo be big clubs:

Christ almighty I'm getting sick to death of the bitching, crying and hypocricy of other clubs fans. They are sounding more pathetic and boring by the day.

A very small part of me can sort of understand how Everton and Spurs fans can be feeling aggrieved that we have new found wealth and look to be making a push to become a top team, club and dynasty in the Premier League and beyond. That's because they have been trying to break into that position themselves and halt the cartel. But even they have had [approximately] 125 year histories to become the best clubs, if they haven't done it in that time then they shouldn't be blaming City and our owner for stopping them in the last 3 seasons. 99.9% of the time when you aren't as good as you want to be it is your own fault, nobody elses!

But what I'll never, ever, understand is how fans of the cartel clubs can be all of a sudden moaning about us. Their number one stance is to mock City's history but as we've all discussed to death (and deep down everyone knows it) City have had a great and rich history, as eventful, as much of a roller coaster, as exciting as any club anyone could care to mention. Okay so we've not won as many trophies as the cartel clubs, but they had to build from somewhere, there was once a time when they were shit, had shit crowds, had hardly won a thing yet they built in some way to become what they became at their peaks. But in what ways did they build? Well:

[Arsenal] Finished fifth in the second division in the 1920's. Yet all of a sudden it was in the news that they were being promoted. "How?" you say?! Well they bought/bribed/corruptly retarded a place in the first division (this is literally the equivalent of Millwall paying the Premier League millions to let them enter the Prem after finishing nowhere near the top of the Championship at the expense of a fourth team to get relegated - who in the Arsenal question back then were Spurs who weren't originally relegated but were dumped by the FA for Arse to be promoted!). Then poaching the top team of the times top man and top players (from Huddersfield), buying other top players from around the league because they were richer than everyone else and then taking over as the country's most successful team in the following years and never being relegated ever from this point on.

[Liverpool] Openly criticised neighbours Everton for having an owner who pumped money into the club, even coining them "The Mersey Millions" with their Littlewoods and Moores money (Mancunians by the way!). Then having the very same people put money into their club, buying all sorts of players left-right-and-centre (even mentioned in Shankley's book that was banned from Anfield - yes their beloved Shankley, banned!! - after he said they had an unprecidented amount of money for the time and went around spending it!) St John, Keegan, Dalgleish, Hansen, Barnes, Collymore, and dozens and dozens of others along the way, did not grow up in Bootle, they were all bought for a lot of money. They then went on to dominate the following decades.

[United] Well they were a fucking joke of a club and were getting crowds of just hundreds of people at Bank Street. Then out of nowhere, as they were about to fold, they got a mega rich owner, bought a shit load of players, built a new stadium and went on to win trophies.
Merely a few decades later they were a joke of a club, again. They were pulling in average season crowds of just 11000 (many individual attendances of just 4000) at Old Trafford, they won fuck all for 37 years, they couldn't even afford their own kits (borrowed City's old kits / Rags!). Then, again, out of nowhere they managed to get another mega rich owner who bought loads of players and pumped a load of money in to develop a youth system for them to go on and win trophies again.
Decades later they went over a quarter of a century without winning the league title, while their owner (who tried to kill millions of school kids and then committed suicide when he was rumbled for it, maybe a slight exaggeration but you get me drift!) with himself and then his son, pumped a never-been-seen-before amount of money into a football club for player, after player for transfer record, after transfer record fee (by the time the Premiership, as it was then, was formed the United squad was the most expensive ever assembled in football history!). They went on to dominate the following decades.

Yes, this is the cartel. They'd have you believe, especially their fans, that they are squeeky clean clubs who built from solid foundations and have had teams exclusively of lads who grew up in the shadows of their stadia and only spent what they've won. But the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

Now, City have come along (and Chelsea before us) and wanted to break up the cartel. Okay we had our most baron decades in our history recently (but never had crowds as low as United ever had when they were shit! Far from it in fact!). Yes we were fortunate enough to get a new stadium from the 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games, and, yes we were extremely fortunate enough to be taken over by Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al Nahyan who has and will continue to invest a lot of money into the football club to continue to win trophies. But at the same time revolutionising the way football clubs can earn their own money; creating jobs(!); re-developing a whole section of a city; introducing mass sporting and commercial venues that will be there for not only the local community but for worldwide visitors; changing the lives of young people/sportspeople all around the country with what we will see developed around East Manchester in the upcoming decades. As well as making football more exciting as someone different can break the cartel up who tried to monopolise football for themselves and not let any other clubs have a share of the success and wealth. City are doing nothing different to what anyone else has done before us in football terms (well apart from being less corrupt than Arsenal, less hypocritical than Liverpool and less genocidal than Louis Edwards!), and in other terms the Sheikh is doing more for the city of Manchetser than any if the other cartel club's owners ever did for their respective cities. What did Henry Norris and William Hall ever do for the local community and wider London area whilst associated with Arsenal? What did Littlewoods and the Moores family ever do for the local communities and Liverpool as a city? What did John Henry Davies, James W Gibson or Louis Edwards ever do for the city of Manchester? What did any of these people do apart from pump money into their football clubs to make them successful? ... answer: FUCK ALL!

City may very well have bought a lot of players in for a lot of money, and we'll continue to do so, but we still field more of our own Academy players than Everton and Spurs do, and more than the mere two United had in their squad in the first season of the Premiership (Beardsmore and Giggs). And we'll continue to do the same in the upcoming years. How is that a bad thing?

Whatever anyone says, City are here to stay! We've seen it all before with your clubs and in other sports with the likes of Wigan RLFC and now Warrington, Manly-Warringah in the NRL and other NRL teams, NFL teams, NBA teams, Premiership rugby union teams... teams with money have sustained periods of success and then other clubs get rich and have their own time in the sunshine. It also happens in business, in fact, in all walks of life.

Good luck to Chelsea, to Paris Saint-Germain, to Wolfsburg, to Roma and to Malaga. Who the fuck wants to see the same fucking clubs keeping all the big money for themselves and buying all the best players from the smaller clubs to keep them in their place below the likes of United, Liverpool, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Lyon, Marseille, Bayern Munchen, Ajax, Milan, Internazionale, Juventus... bore off the lot of you! Come on Espanyol, Sevilla, Bordeaux, Hamburg, Napoli, Sunderland, Den Haag; get yourselves some investment, stop the way football has been run in the last 40 years where the top clubs keep it all for themselves, let's see some fresh faces and colours around Europe!

So why don't you all look through some history books for a while and get some real facts to your opinions or shut the fuck up!?!

Right, rant over!

If these Rags seriously think that they've never been in the position we are currently in than they have no clue about their own history!

 

[shadygiz]

manyoo have spent around 400mill in 20 years

add the 60mill this transfer

granted they have had a great deal of success for that input of cash, but none the less its £460mill


nuff said