Ilkay Gundogan - 2018/19 performances

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I'm reading through the various threads & I keep getting alerts from you, to not talk about football but just to presumably make you feel better about yourself.

Please sod off and stop mithering if you don't want to talk about football.
we were talking about football until you called me a twat and pollution ,I only come on bluemoon for the footy chat,and I don't feel better for having a cyber squabble, i feel sad,

footy only from now on nev.xx
 
we were talking about football until you called me a twat and pollution ,I only come on bluemoon for the footy chat,and I don't feel better for having a cyber squabble, i feel sad,

footy only from now on nev.xx

You have not mentioned one thing about the actual.subject of the thread.

Just complained about me giving an opinion on it.
 
Anyway....


If we keep using the 3-5-2, which I have no reason to doubt, and Jesus keeps playing we might see a new form of attacking coming from Gundogan.

Gundogan really loves the give and go attack that he picked up from Dortmund under Klopp. Problem is, is that it hasn't really worked out so far. I don't think Aguero has quite that sort of passing game in his locker (it's a very specialised kind of passing game) and I'm not sure it's a specific one Pep trains either. There were a few times he tried it with Aguero and it had a habit of not paying off. Although it was often when we were looking for a goal with a bit more desperation than a full game strategy. I'm not implying it was always Aguero's fault here, Gundogan got it wrong plenty of times, and there were others too that it didn't work with for Gundogan. But the striker plays a big role, especially at the start of these fast transition attacks and Aguero not being quite that player lowers the odds of it being a successful strategy ie it becomes wasteful, which isn't very Guardiola.

Jesus can play the give and gos excellently though. Especially first time. Watch his Brazil performances prior to Neymar's injury and Tite shoehorning Coutinho into the midfield 3 and you can see that part of his game in abundance. However last season I think he had a problem of balancing the role of false 9 with actual 9, which meant he wasn't as readily available to support the midfield as maybe a player like Gundogan would have liked.


But this season, if Aguero AND Jesus are playing, then Jesus can come deep and play that supporting role that we all expected of him when he first arrived. Because you can trust Aguero to lead a line any day of the week. And if Jesus and Gundogan continue to look as sharp as they both did on the weekend then it MIGHT give Gundogan an opportunity to bring back that element of his game from Dortmund. And just like Mendy has provided a completely new means of attacking, the pairing of Gundogan and Jesus might open up even more too. Plus if they can simply kickstart these attacks between them, the likes of Aguero and co will be able to get much more involved once the space opens up.



For reference, Liverpool tried it a few times against Palace, all to no avail. For starters, as I've stated many times, most of their midfielders don't have the technical and/or the positional game to both play the right passes well and quickly enough, and time their attacking runs too. Plus, neither Salah nor Firmino have the ability to link up at that highest level to make it really work. Which makes sense, because they're no better creatively than the version of Aguero we've got now. Like I said, it takes a very unique link up striker to pull it off (eg Dortmund's Lewandowski).


ps I've just realised that this is a lot of writing for speculation :P
 
Anyway....


If we keep using the 3-5-2, which I have no reason to doubt, and Jesus keeps playing we might see a new form of attacking coming from Gundogan.

Gundogan really loves the give and go attack that he picked up from Dortmund under Klopp. Problem is, is that it hasn't really worked out so far. I don't think Aguero has quite that sort of passing game in his locker (it's a very specialised kind of passing game) and I'm not sure it's a specific one Pep trains either. There were a few times he tried it with Aguero and it had a habit of not paying off. Although it was often when we were looking for a goal with a bit more desperation than a full game strategy. I'm not implying it was always Aguero's fault here, Gundogan got it wrong plenty of times, and there were others too that it didn't work with for Gundogan. But the striker plays a big role, especially at the start of these fast transition attacks and Aguero not being quite that player lowers the odds of it being a successful strategy ie it becomes wasteful, which isn't very Guardiola.

Jesus can play the give and gos excellently though. Especially first time. Watch his Brazil performances prior to Neymar's injury and Tite shoehorning Coutinho into the midfield 3 and you can see that part of his game in abundance. However last season I think he had a problem of balancing the role of false 9 with actual 9, which meant he wasn't as readily available to support the midfield as maybe a player like Gundogan would have liked.


But this season, if Aguero AND Jesus are playing, then Jesus can come deep and play that supporting role that we all expected of him when he first arrived. Because you can trust Aguero to lead a line any day of the week. And if Jesus and Gundogan continue to look as sharp as they both did on the weekend then it MIGHT give Gundogan an opportunity to bring back that element of his game from Dortmund. And just like Mendy has provided a completely new means of attacking, the pairing of Gundogan and Jesus might open up even more too. Plus if they can simply kickstart these attacks between them, the likes of Aguero and co will be able to get much more involved once the space opens up.



For reference, Liverpool tried it a few times against Palace, all to no avail. For starters, as I've stated many times, most of their midfielders don't have the technical and/or the positional game to both play the right passes well and quickly enough, and time their attacking runs too. Plus, neither Salah nor Firmino have the ability to link up at that highest level to make it really work. Which makes sense, because they're no better creatively than the version of Aguero we've got now. Like I said, it takes a very unique link up striker to pull it off (eg Dortmund's Lewandowski).


ps I've just realised that this is a lot of writing for speculation :P

Pep said recently that he sees Gundogan's sharpness around the box as his key asset.

Jesus can link with anyone imo & is actually improving Aguero.in that respect when they play together.
 
Neville only has interests in the figments of his own imagination. He has no time or tolerance for facts or stats.

As he'll let you know time and time again... 'facts and stats don't tell the whole story.' Which is true. But it tells a a truer and fairer story that Nev's partial and spotty memory.

He ain't tryna hear that though. :)

I just thought it was a weird observation. I am less of a stats person than most. Quite impressed by agueros goal ratio though.
Some fans need to identify at least one player who is at the bottom of the food chain in a team, I tend to believe the team is the sum of many different parts and you do not get anywhere by judging against others in the same team.
Sterling and gundogan both seem to have been chosen as bottom feeders by some.
 
Pep said recently that he sees Gundogan's sharpness around the box as his key asset.

Jesus can link with anyone imo & is actually improving Aguero.in that respect when they play together.
Jesus and Aguero seem to bring the best out of each other. Aguero's link up play was really smooth against Huddersfield and I agree that he's improving still. I've always maintained that Aguero works better in a two (although he's a much better solo striker these days than formerly).

I'm starting to wonder how different our season would have been with Mendy. The likes of Aguero, Jesus, Gundogan, and both Silvas for me seem to really benefit from him indirectly.
 
I just thought it was a weird observation. I am less of a stats person than most. Quite impressed by agueros goal ratio though.
Some fans need to identify at least one player who is at the bottom of the food chain in a team, I tend to believe the team is the sum of many different parts and you do not get anywhere by judging against others in the same team.
Sterling and gundogan both seem to have been chosen as bottom feeders by some.

And some just comment honestly on what they see in a game & are quick to honestly acknowledge improvement without having to conclude every other previous performance was without flaws on the strength of it.
 
Jesus and Aguero seem to bring the best out of each other. Aguero's link up play was really smooth against Huddersfield and I agree that he's improving still. I've always maintained that Aguero works better in a two (although he's a much better solo striker these days than formerly).

I'm starting to wonder how different our season would have been with Mendy. The likes of Aguero, Jesus, Gundogan, and both Silvas for me seem to really benefit from him indirectly.

Everyone can benefit from GJ, Gundogan with 1-2s, midfield attack but also the wide players imo.

Brazil are the ones who don't as they are greedy ****s.
 
Made me laugh the past two pages haha off work today so had a fat wake and bake and that little squabble was comedy!
 
And some just comment honestly on what they see in a game & are quick to honestly acknowledge improvement without having to conclude every other previous performance was without flaws on the strength of it.

Nev, in every game of football a player plays to a % of his optimum. At City it is rarely a very low %, and often a very high %. To start criticizing players who may have an average or slightly above average game is the "weird" thing.

Some fans choose a player then begin to look for any weaknesses they can find, I am sure you are not one of those.

Some fuckers criticize Jesus for only scoring tap ins, never mind that every top coach in the World would love to have him.
 
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