Ilkay Gundogan

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Not much more to say than that.
I'll remember that Cup final against the Rags where he literally dragged us to the win

That's funny, I don't remember it like that. He scored the goals, sure. We outplayed them pretty thoroughly, except for the last few frantic minutes. Utterly absurd penalty given against Jack — I was level with it, more or less, couldn't believe it. But for that, would not have been close.
 
That's funny, I don't remember it like that. He scored the goals, sure. We outplayed them pretty thoroughly, except for the last few frantic minutes. Utterly absurd penalty given against Jack — I was level with it, more or less, couldn't believe it. But for that, would not have been close.
Agreed. We were clearly the better side on the day. Same as you, I was level with our penalty area in the first half (in the north stand, up in the gods), and was stunned when I saw the ref going over to the screen. Saw comments later on attributed to Schmeichel; apparently, even he said it wasn't a penalty, and you won't get much more of a rag apologist than him.
 
That's funny, I don't remember it like that. He scored the goals, sure. We outplayed them pretty thoroughly, except for the last few frantic minutes. Utterly absurd penalty given against Jack — I was level with it, more or less, couldn't believe it. But for that, would not have been close.

But for Gundo's class goals, we'd have been cheated out of a treble
 
Great player, but with new legs in this position and needing to trim the squad, it's the right decision to let him leave

If we can let him, Walker, Grealish, McAtee go, maybe even Kovacic too, we'd free up almost £1m/week in wages and give more gametime to new signings and youngsters
My only concern is that we’ll be losing so many experienced players and leaders as well. That’s invaluable. That might mean next season is a transition season, as with so many new signings - who usually take a year to bed in
 
They need to get players out - but with Grealish Walker etc attracting zero interest I fear Gundo will reluctantly be the first they release
 
My only concern is that we’ll be losing so many experienced players and leaders as well. That’s invaluable. That might mean next season is a transition season, as with so many new signings - who usually take a year to bed in
Maybe , but on the other hand when players like Walker KDB Gundogan leave it gives other players a chance to step up that may have felt it wasn’t their place. Good chance some of Ederson, Dias, Rodri, Bernardo Foden Haaland and if they stay Stones or Ake become that player/s. They all know what it takes to win things.
 
We need both to go if we don't want to end up with Echeverri and Bobb and Reis and other younger players not making the 17 foreign player list.

And we'll need more again gone (hopefully Akanji and unfortunately Stones too)
Bobbs club trained. He'll make every list.
 
They need to get players out - but with Grealish Walker etc attracting zero interest I fear Gundo will reluctantly be the first they release
Gundogan has nothing to do with the other 2 even with Walker, Grealish and Phillips gone 2 or 3 from the non homegrown list need to leave
 
I think when Kovacic’s operation was announced, the guidance was that he’d be fit by August, so he could still be sold this summer if this timeline works out.
Doesn’t really matter anyway, loads of players change clubs while injured, no big deal not like it’s a break or an ACL
 
We need both to go if we don't want to end up with Echeverri and Bobb and Reis and other younger players not making the 17 foreign player list.

And we'll need more again gone (hopefully Akanji and unfortunately Stones too)
Unfortunately I suspect you’ll be right about both Kovacic and Gundogan going, although I suspect that Guardiola would dearly love to keep Gundogan.

I do wonder whether they’ll be a surprise loan exit for a couple of players late in the window because even from the squad out in the US we probably need to lose at least four players.
 
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