Interesting piece on Mr B. Trautmann

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-- Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:15 pm --

It is dangerous to know too much about one’s boyhood sporting heroes. Growing up in Manchester in the 1950s and Sixties, supporting Manchester City and Lancashire, I idolised three men: Brian Statham, the Lancashire and England fast bowler, whom I never knew; then there was Colin Bell, whom I am lucky enough to know a little. But first there was Bert Trautmann, who retired in 1964, a couple of years before Bell joined the team. I saw him only late in his career, when City were struggling, so my memory is of heroic performances in hopeless defeats. City teams then were short of stars and characters. Trautmann was different. He was a German, when they were unknown in the league, and famous for having played on in an FA Cup Final with a broken neck.

My father — a D-Day veteran — told me all about Trautmann. I have a very clear recollection of the story he recounted. How Trautmann was a good German, not a Nazi, how he had been captured early in the war and spent a long time in a prisoner-of-war camp on the Isle of Man. How he was a gentle giant who never hurt a fly. These are the memories I have carried with me for half a century, reinforced by occasional glimpses of Trautmann — who is still with us — on the side of the pitch from time to time during City’s past 34 years without a trophy.

The only problem is that none of the above description of his life is true. Catrine Clay tells us that he was from a family with Nazi links. His father was a member of the Nazi Party. Trautmann joined the junior branch of the Hitler Youth as early as possible. He was an enthusiastic member, and volunteered for the Luftwaffe at 17. So, he fought from 1940 onwards, initially as a mechanic in the air force, but later as a paratrooper on the Eastern Front. He was not a member of the SS, but he did witness the Einsatzgruppen killing Jews and dumping their bodies in trenches in Ukraine.

He began the long retreat from Moscow but was then moved to the Western Front, where he was eventually captured, quite close to the end of the war, and was transported to a prisoner-of-war camp west of Manchester — not part of the Isle of the Man. In the camp Trautmann was classified as “black”, which suggested that he was a keen supporter of the Nazi regime.

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The “gentle giant” tag is also hardly justified. Trautmann was involved in a series of violent incidents at school and in the army. As a prisoner of war he was imprisoned for assaulting a Jewish sergeant, before driving off and leaving him lying by the side of the road. He did eventually get on much better with locals who befriended him. Indeed, he got on so well with one of them that he got her pregnant, and then promised to marry her. But he left without explanation or a forwarding address and met the child only some 50 years later.

Such is the story Clay tells. It is based almost entirely on conversations with Trautmann, so she presents it sympathetically, with little in the way of perspective from others. There is historical colour, and many pages of padding, which tell us the story of the Second World War. She is not much interested in football. Trautmann does not join Manchester City until page 273. There is only a perfunctory review of the broken-neck incident, and his last six years with City, playing for a team in decline, are passed over.

So there is no rewriting of my personal memories of him. I prefer it that way. There are some parts of one’s mental universe that are so set that it is idle to think of refreshing them. This book is an interesting tale. But I wish that I had never read it
 
Bollocks! The Pope was a member of the Hitler Youth and as far as I know joining was compulsory. I have read Bert's biography and it says that by his own admission he was a bit of a live wire but not a thug. It is also said that being classified as 'black' was one of the most soul destroying moments of his life.
 
Fuckin hell that was quick,i find it interesting that the times has decided to do this & very surprised he's decided to publicise her book this way.
Such is the story Clay tells. It is based almost entirely on conversations with Trautmann, so she presents it sympathetically, with little in the way of perspective from others
Is this really the times ???? that is shocking.
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Bernhard Trautmann was born in Bremen in 1923 and at 10 had enrolled in the Jungvolk, a division of the ­Hitler Youth for boys. “People ask ‘why did I join the Hitler Youth?’” he says now. “But they don’t understand. Growing up under Hitler, you had no mind of your own. My real education started at the age of 22 in England.”

Soon after his 18th birthday he joined the Luftwaffe and trained as a paratrooper. Sent to the Ukraine, his unit was charged with performing lightning strikes on Red Army supply lines. He excelled, gaining promotion to corporal and then sergeant, picking up five medals, including an Iron Cross.

Then Trautmann was posted to France, where his war ended in 1944. Fleeing from an American unit, he jumped over a fence and landed at the feet of a British solder, who he recalls greeted him with the words: “Hello Fritz. Fancy a cup of tea?”

The remainder of the war was spent in PoW camps in Cheshire and ­Lancashire. In 1948 he was offered repatriation to Germany but elected instead to stay in England, shortening his name to Bert and taking a job labouring at a farm in Lancashire. At weekends he turned out for local football team St Helens Town.


W ithin a year his prowess in goal had attracted the attentions of First Division club Manchester City; he joined them in 1949. “The hatred for Trautmann when he joined the club was immense,” remembers Colin Shindler, author and lifelong City fan. “There were men on the terraces who just five or six years previously had been actually shooting at him. Let’s not get wrapped up in this idea of the ‘good German’ – Trautmann was a Nazi. And he didn’t choose to give himself up to the ­British either – he was captured.
I thought some of that rang a bell,"The good German " bit he uses is out of that earlier article.
Very strange that the times would let a "hack"do something like this it's a re-hash of someone elses story but with only the nasty bits used.
I wonder if she knows this guys doing this.
 
Is nothing sacred?
Bert Trautmann fought bravely for his country on the eastern front where the most barbaric and ferocious fighting occured. He was a young man, who like 99% of Germans, thought that Adolf Hitler was their saviour and they fell for the nazi propoganda.
By the time most Germans realised that Hitler was wrong, it was too late for most of them to do anything else but fight for their lives!
This apart, I know, after watching Trautmann from 1953/4 onwards, that he was the greatest goalkeeper of all time. In todays market he would cost £100m to buy - "I SHIT YOU NOT"!
 
I know a number of his family members very well and hear a lot of him in those days and as he is now living in Spain - he is in great shape for a man of his age and all the stories I hear confirm that view that he is a really genuine bloke - of course he was in the forces - was influenced by Hitler - etc -but so what so were the vast majority of young men in Germany in those days
 
Very strange that the times would let a "hack"do something like this it's a re-hash of someone elses story but with only the nasty bits used.
I wonder if she knows this guys doing this.


Howard Davies isn't a 'hack' as such; he's a long-time City supporter who is very high up in the world of finance (I think he may once have been Governor of the Bank of England, or similar).
 
Phuk Tifano said:
Very strange that the times would let a "hack"do something like this it's a re-hash of someone elses story but with only the nasty bits used.

I wonder if she knows this guys doing this.

Howard Davies isn't a 'hack' as such; he's a long-time City supporter who is very high up in the world of finance (I think he may once have been Governor of the Bank of England, or similar).

He's now Director of the London School of Economics. In the past,he's been Director General of the Confederation of British Industry, Deputy Governor of the Bank of England and Chairman of the Financial Services Authority, among others.

Here, though, I think he gets it wrong. He's correct that Trautmann was a Nazi and fought for the Reich, probably supporting Hitler keenly. But dwelling on that is getting it totally out of context. I live in Russia now and am married to a Russian, and I firmly believe that no white, middle class, private school and Oxbridge educated British male (and I, like Davies, meet exactly that description) can possibly know what it's like to have grown up in a totalitarian society based on a cult of personality.

I speak to people here - including my mother in law - who grew up when Stalin was still the First General Secretary. They were raised from the cradle to support him unquestioningly, so hardly any of them did question him. While he's now largely discredited even here, some do still speak warmly of him. When you're raised not to think independently at all, ever, that's natural.

What's important about Trautmann is not what he did during the War or as a child. That's down to the time and place he was born, not to him. What's important is what he did after the War, when he made England his home, realised the wrongs that Hitler represented and handled himself with wonderful dignity.

To ignore that, as Davies's piece does, represents a really rather idiotic view from a man for whom I usually have great respect. None of what he says about Bert is really news anyway. I'm disappointed in him, frankly.
 
99% of the people who grow up in a dictatorship, has a period in their lives where thy buy into the regimes lies,so did Trautman.

Trautman like any German living through the war shares responsibility for the nazi crimes.

To accuse Trautman of being an active paticipent or even a silent witness to these crimes is imo way ott.

What we do know about Trautman is thst after the war he did more than any other german, to reconsile germany and Britain.

To me Trautman will always be a hero, not just because he arguably was the best ever City goalkeeper, but because he was a man who even though brought up on nazi lies, did his best to pull two nations together.
 
One of the few people to have been decorated by both Hitler and the Queen!

(Alright so it probably wasn't Mein Fuhrer himself who awarded him his Iron Cross and Prince Charles did the OBE honours in Berlin, but the point's the same.)
 

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