Iran

On the face of it there is no difference, however slight. There are no sides in this but it is telling that you take one.

I tend to take the side that is a lesser threat to me and mine, selfish perhaps.

Regarding Israel I have no great feelings either way. I admire some of their military achievements and in particular their air force. They are no threat to the UK nor do they back those who target us.
 
I tend to take the side that is a lesser threat to me and mine, selfish perhaps.

Regarding Israel I have no great feelings either way. I admire some of their military achievements and in particular their air force. They are no threat to the UK nor do they back those who target us.
I rest my case
 
You have no feeling either way yet choose to nail your colours to a certain mast based on some perceived threat to your way of life..... not me with the issue
No issue here either, thats my opinion which you clearly do have an issue with as you passed comment. Maybe I should be a little more clear on what I mean when I say I have no strong feelings either way with regard to the people of those nations.

I do however see Iran currently as an enemy of our country, not its people its government. As Israel are not an enemy of this country I would of course back them in any conflict with any country that backs Islamic terrorism.
 
I do however see Iran currently as an enemy of our country, not its people its government. As Israel are not an enemy of this country I would of course back them in any conflict with any country that backs Islamic terrorism.
What terrorism have Iran backed?

Why Tehran hates Isis: how religious rifts are fueling conflict (newstatesman.com)

This article is by the late Michael Axeworthy who sadly passed away in 2019 , a former British diplomat to Iran and highly regarded expert on the region. He wrote a number of books on Iran and taught Arab and Islamic Studies at Exeter University. He was also my friend and we often played chess against each other online and chatted away as we played. He was an extremely bright and interesting man who had a deep love of Iran who in his words was a deeply misunderstood country.

Donald Trump ending the Iran nuclear deal is an outbreak of organised stupidity (newstatesman.com)

Another article of Michael's on Trump.

He had a number of articles published in the NS over the years and if anybody is worth listening to, it is him.
 
I won't. I'd be quite happy to see Russia invade, conquer, and occupy the UK.

For me this country's biggest mistake, and most shameful decision, was failing to ally with the USSR after ww2. We should have offered them air, land, and naval bases both here and on the commonwealth, forged a military and diplomatic alliance and whatever else they would have wanted after the Soviet military and people saved us in the war.

For me this country should to this day place a statue of Stalin alongside each and every cenotaph in the land. He saved us.
Going back to this, I did a quick Google to see if there were any academic study about what might have been, if Churchill (particularly) hadn't always considered the USSR (and communism generally) as much a threat as Nazi Germany, and we hadn't had a Cold War. It might at least have made a What If novel like The Man in the High Castle.

I did find one or two things I'd missed. One was Max Hastings on what might have been, and Putin defending the Soviet occupation of Poland. (I do know something about that, having attended a war studies lecture about how the USSR offered to enter Poland in August 1939 to defend it against a Nazi invasion, but the Poles preferred to trust the western powers' promise to come to their defence - and whether they would rather be occupied by Hitler or Stalin.)

Sorry - a bit of a deflection, except we are now in "What if" territory in dealing with Iran (and Israel).

 
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I won't. I'd be quite happy to see Russia invade, conquer, and occupy the UK.

For me this country's biggest mistake, and most shameful decision, was failing to ally with the USSR after ww2. We should have offered them air, land, and naval bases both here and on the commonwealth, forged a military and diplomatic alliance and whatever else they would have wanted after the Soviet military and people saved us in the war.

For me this country should to this day place a statue of Stalin alongside each and every cenotaph in the land. He saved us.
Fucking joker.
 
Would "prevent them" from having a nuclear capability with which they have threatened to wipe Israel off the map be less amusing for you?

Why do you take a silly rhetoric of a maniac former President of Iran so seriously. ? Pakistan have around 120 nuclear bombs, and they have more extremists, and they seem to be doing without wipe-off threats. Iran came to the negotiating table and the deal was going well until Trump withdrew from it. Now Biden seems to be willing to do deal with Iran again, and then this happens. How is it that the assassination of a nuclear physicist of another country is okay ? Would it be okay if they do in return as well ?
 
What terrorism have Iran backed?

Why Tehran hates Isis: how religious rifts are fueling conflict (newstatesman.com)

This article is by the late Michael Axeworthy who sadly passed away in 2019 , a former British diplomat to Iran and highly regarded expert on the region. He wrote a number of books on Iran and taught Arab and Islamic Studies at Exeter University. He was also my friend and we often played chess against each other online and chatted away as we played. He was an extremely bright and interesting man who had a deep love of Iran who in his words was a deeply misunderstood country.

Donald Trump ending the Iran nuclear deal is an outbreak of organised stupidity (newstatesman.com)

Another article of Michael's on Trump.

He had a number of articles published in the NS over the years and if anybody is worth listening to, it is him.

I was saddened to hear of Axworthy's passing (and was informed of this by Ali Ansari who I was fortunate enough to meet about 18 months ago), as his books and articles served as a corrective to some of the understandable but frequently misleading impressions that people may have formed about Iran, without necessarily taking into account the extent to which we have substantially meddled in the affairs of that country, as was the case with Operation Ajax and the overthrow of Mossadegh, and in relation to the tobacco protest of the 1890's.

I have Axworthy's Empire of the Mind: A History of Iran in front of me right now. The title itself wonderfully alludes to the philosophical and literary powerhouses that have been so much a part of the Persian cultural landscape, polymaths like, for example, Ibn Sina and Omar Khayyam.

Even the blurb on the back cover challenges our preconceptions: 'Iran is a land of contradictions. It is an Islamic republic, but only 1.4 percent of the population attends Friday prayers.'

I do wonder, though, if Axworthy's love of the country might have led him to perceive the theocracy that rules it through slightly rose-tinted spectacles.

This is because earlier this year, I read Simon Mabon's Saudi Arabia and Iran: Power and Rivalry in the Middle East. Just flicked through it again and there are plenty of references to Iran's apparent policy of exporting its revolutionary politics to other parts of the Middle East and to its support for Hezbollah, and the Shia populations of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia itself.

Whether this support is merely of a political or perhaps a financial nature or extends as far as supplying military kit is difficult to ascertain (which is frustrating - I thought it would be straightforward). Nevertheless, the targeted assassination of dissidents and other enemies abroad certainly seems to have taken place, and on page 191 Mabon quotes a commentator called Gary Sick, who notes that 'Iran was accused of sponsoring operations by other militant organisations, such as the Argentinian bombings of 1992 and 1994 and the 1996 bombing, attributed to Hizbollah organisations in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia.'

On page 192 there is also a reference to a Department of Justice report published in 2001 that identifies Hizballah al-Hijaz as having carried out the aforementioned 1996 attack, as well as stating that Iran had 'inspired, supported and directed Hizbollah organisations in Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Bahrain since the early 1980's.'

According to Mabon, these actions and those of Tehran in the aftermath of the Arab Spring seem incongruous with Mohammed Khatami's protestations that there is no Qur'anic basis for acts of terrorism. However, Khatami, who was President between 1997 and 2005 goes on to state that 'supporting peoples who fight for the liberation of their land is not, in my opinion, supporting terrorism. It is, in fact, supporting those who are engaged in combating state terrorism.'

I suspect that there is more detail to be discovered about the links between Iran and Hezbollah to be found in Robert Fisk's The Great War for Civilisation. However, it's been ages since I read it and I haven't had a look yet.

Having said all this, I still think that we are in need someone of Axworthy's calibre to step into his shoes right now, though, as there is so much to admire in his writing.
 
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