Irish Current Affairs

So my understanding is that the Government are passing a bill to remove the customs process between the mainland and NI. That will allow goods to move from mainland UK to Ireland unchecked and without any customs process. In turn that puts the EU in an impossible position. Either let it go and have a non member trading with the EU as a member would. Or, insist on customs on the NI border with the EU and trash the GFA provisions.
Have I got that right?

All that against a background that our Government signed the current agreement around the protocol very recently.
What are your thoughts on how this will play out. Surely external pressure particularly from the states will help stop it.
That's about the size of it.
The EU aren't prepared to give much after Johnsons and his acolytes behaviour towards them before during and after Brexit. UK gov and DUP shitting it because of growth in NI compared to rest of UK. Hello Scotland and Wales. Shitting it having to deal with a female Sinn Fein first minister.
Have heard anecdotally that the DUP have suggested anything from a new partition of 3 counties to demanding homecoming? rights akin to Hong Kongers.
The US don't really want to get too involved at present(Ukraine) but hearing different Irish US interests are putting pressure on the Whitehouse about it non stop.
Have also heard a few suggestions for an EU manned border involving things like special all Ireland and EU sections of border and the rest cross elsewhere,also having an EU coalition of military manning it.
All the above is hearsay and anecdotal, mostly just from general chats with some people I know.
 
So my understanding is that the Government are passing a bill to remove the customs process between the mainland and NI. That will allow goods to move from mainland UK to Ireland unchecked and without any customs process. In turn that puts the EU in an impossible position. Either let it go and have a non member trading with the EU as a member would. Or, insist on customs on the NI border with the EU and trash the GFA provisions.
Have I got that right?

All that against a background that our Government signed the current agreement around the protocol very recently.
What are your thoughts on how this will play out. Surely external pressure particularly from the states will help stop it.
Biden has already stated that any threat to the GFA will not be met favourably by his administration. So good luck with a trade deal with the US.

Why would anyone trust to do business with Britain at the moment. Not sure it will be any better with Johnson replaced, but surely nothing happens in negotiations until he’s gone.

I see your own determination as a nation as none of our business, but it’s an absolute right and I sincerely hope you achieve it without the violence that always permeated Irish progress, because history unfortunately proved that none was made without it. Ireland were never an equal partner in any union with Britain. I am getting the feeling for the first time that many more people in Scotland are feeling that way too, now.

I hope you decide and see through your democratic decision without the mess left behind that we are still dealing with. Even when in good faith we all on this island decided on an agreed method of future determination, Westminster once again has found a new way to fuck us over. What happens Northern Ireland if the UK falls apart? What happens Wales or England for that matter.
 
Not a huge Varadkar fan, but thought he was quite open on The View the other night and spelled out the current problems with British relationship very well.

Can’t find the whole interview as BBC iPlayer won’t play over here but did find this link which only gives a flavour.
 
Not a huge Varadkar fan, but thought he was quite open on The View the other night and spelled out the current problems with British relationship very well.

Can’t find the whole interview as BBC iPlayer won’t play over here but did find this link which only gives a flavour.

yeah but this is Johnsons self proclaimed bonfire of distractions - fling out bullshit daily and everyone is trying to catch up and replay to yesterdays old news today. It is in no way governing but it works for the great distractor
 
yeah but this is Johnsons self proclaimed bonfire of distractions - fling out bullshit daily and everyone is trying to catch up and replay to yesterdays old news today. It is in no way governing but it works for the great distractor
If you can catch the interview on the iPlayer it is worth a look. I like Mark Carruthers on politics in NI. He’s better than anything on Question Time or Newsnight.
 
Not one single MP, across the board, supports this....for once, every single MP is in agreement....but sure, "lets see of we can just get it through"


Controversial legislation aimed at ending Troubles legacy prosecutions has passed its stages in the House of Commons, despite ongoing political opposition.
The bill offers a conditional amnesty to those accused of killings and other Troubles-related crimes.
It will proceed to the House of Lords in the autumn to face further scrutiny.
No MPs from Northern Ireland support the bill.
Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis said the bill would "help families and victims move forward".
The Conservative Party's working majority of 73 means it can comfortably pass the legislation without relying on other parties in parliament.
On Monday, it passed its third reading by 282 to 217 votes, with Labour, the DUP (Democratic Unionist Party), SDLP (Social Democratic and Labour Party), Alliance and other opposition parties at Westminster voting against it.
"Even though we've done our best to improve the bill, we can't support it as it stands today - it gives more rights to people who committed crimes than their victims," said shadow Northern Ireland Secretary Peter Kyle.
Attempts to amend the government bill further during its committee stage on Monday were also unsuccessful.
A move to prevent those securing immunity under the new scheme from profiting from their crimes was rejected by 282 votes to 209.
MPs voted by 282 to 211 to retain a measure in the bill that will ban all future inquests related to the Troubles.
While a DUP bid to reverse amnesties in cases where someone has given false evidence to the truth recovery panel was also rejected.
Brandon Lewis
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Brandon Lewis addressed the House of Commons on Monday
Northern Ireland Minister Conor Burns said the government was having "active conversations internally" to work with opposition parties to see if cross-party changes could be agreed to the legislation at a later date.
DUP, SDLP and Alliance MPs criticised the government during Monday's debate, arguing that the government had no intention of acting on their proposals.
"What are these two days of scrutiny for, if our scrutiny amounts to nothing?" DUP MP Gavin Robinson said.
SDLP leader Colum Eastwood said the government "could not be trusted" on legacy matters, while Alliance's Stephen Farry said there was an "unfairness" to the plan to close inquest cases.
Under the bill, immunity from prosecution will be offered to those who co-operate with Troubles investigations run by a new information recovery body.
The Independent Commission for Reconciliation and Information Recovery (ICRIR) will be headed by a judicial figure appointed by the government.
It would be operational for five years.
A panel within the ICRIR will be responsible for deciding if a perpetrator qualifies for immunity.
Once granted, it cannot be revoked.
It will still take months before the legislation makes it into law and takes effect.

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The roots of Northern Ireland’s Troubles lie deep in Irish history
Groups representing victims and relatives have criticised the bill and accused the government of ignoring their concerns, while some veterans' organisations have welcomed the move.

'Serious questions'​

The Council of Europe commissioner for human rights, Dunja Mijatović, said on Monday that the bill raises "serious questions about the extent to which the proposed mechanism to review Troubles-related cases is compliant with ECHR (European Convention on Human Rights) standards on independent and effective investigations".
"The possibility to grant immunity from prosecution on a low evidentiary bar raises concerns that this could lead to impunity," Ms Mijatović added.
The commissioner said the "virtually unanimous, cross-community rejection of the proposals also casts doubt over their potential to contribute to reconciliation in Northern Ireland".
Earlier, Paul Young of the Northern Ireland Veterans Movement, told BBC News NI he believed the legislation was the best way to move forward.
"We hope our voice has been quite strong within the government, because you are talking about 200,000 odd veterans on the mainland and some in Northern Ireland.
"Not all Northern Ireland groups are opposed to this, some of them are coming round to thinking this is possibly the only way forward, but at some time it's got to end.
"We can't keep going in year after year after year and finding ourselves in this same place, this country's got to move on."
In May, the government introduced legislation that aims to draw a line under the Northern Ireland Troubles by dealing with so-called legacy issues.
The Northern Ireland Troubles (Legacy and Reconciliation) Bill runs to almost 100 pages.
It is an attempt to deal with more than 1,000 unsolved killings.
In June, a bid to prevent immunity from prosecution being offered to those who cooperate with Troubles investigations was rejected in the Commons.
MPs voted to retain the measure within the government's legacy bill.
 
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50th anniversary of Bloody Friday today. 19 bombs in an hour in Belfast. 9 killed and 130 seriously injured. As a child then a day I remember well unfortunately. Some of the footage is horrible. We can never ever go back to days like this. I have read various reports on it from the emergency services, eye witness accounts and those allegedly involved in organising/planting them
 
David Trimble has died…

Sad news - saw this quote
"We have started. And we will go on. And we will go on all the better if we walk, rather than run. Sometimes we will stumble, maybe even go back a bit. But this need not matter if in the spirit of an old Irish proverb we say to ourselves, “Tomorrow is another day”. David Trimble
RIP..
 
One of my best friends wrote this tribute to David Trimble, although bit personal will share as it shows a side the public maybe wouldn't see even if some of us suspected
Sometimes in life you end up in places and with people you never thought possible. That was me in the late summer of 1999 when I was living in London and started working for David Trimble in the House of Commons.

Much will be written in the coming days no doubt, but I will remember the man in the next door office who was doing his damndest to try and make Northern Ireland a better place and give the people who live here the chance of a better life than they had known through three decades of terrorist violence.

He gave me a start in Westminster and brought me back to Stormont. I owe him a lot, and so does Northern Ireland. It was an honour to serve him and tonight my deepest sympathies are with Lady Trimble and his children who knew him best and who will miss him most.
 
David Trimble has died…

Along with the late John Hume of course, Trimble was hugely instrumental in the NI Peace Process and the signing of the GFA. Without either of those two. it might never have happened. Both took big risks - Trimble incurred the wrath of many unionists by getting on board, whereas Hume had the balls to negotiate with the IRA/Sinn Fein at a time when it was considered totally taboo to do so, and it was his work on that front that resulted in the first IRA ceasefire being brokered in 1994 which paved the way for what happened further down the line.
 
can somebody please explain to her that the BBC broadcast the ceremony - the games organising committee signed off on the content

 

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