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There is a Light said:
It’s an absolute shame mate. My heart goes out to the decent people over there.

As we know, some of the scrotes in society don't need any encouragement to go out and riot. Unfortunately, that's exactly what they're getting from online agitators. Yet it’s the brainwashed scrotes that will end up in prison, not the cunts encouraging them from behind a screen.

Anyone who tries to excuse the behaviour of the scum who were rioting last night needs to take a serious look at themselves, regardless of how disturbing Monday night's incident was.

Surely, as people, we are better than burning out innocent families homes and setting up roadblocks to intimidate people of colour. That is sickening to see.
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And nobody, absolutely noone, is talking about £9m donations from crypto billionaires anymore.
 
bluejon said:
Your argument is dreadful though. Of course we are going to have people coming into this country, we now live in an interconnected world where people can come here, but guess what, we can also go elsewhere. This is the modern world and we are not going back to how it used to be. And it is far from whataboutism. There have been a number of high profile crimes where white, British people have done some hideous things, but not a mouse fart from the permanently enraged. The rape in Walsall where a Sikh woman was raped because two cunts thought she was a muslim was horrific, but the protect our girls crowd were nowhere to be seen. It's the same shit in NI right now. Bunch of cunts just wanting an excuse to smash shit up.
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Is the point on immigrants though that we, in theory, have control on who we let and do not let into the country? If a longstanding white Englishman commits a heinous crime then it's our problem and we send them to prison. If a fairly new immigrant commits a heinous crime then perhaps it's avoidable and we should be looking at the system that allows them into the country in the first place.
 
Palerider said:
Is the point on immigrants though that we, in theory, have control on who we let and do not let into the country? If a longstanding white Englishman commits a heinous crime then it's our problem and we send them to prison. If a fairly new immigrant commits a heinous crime then perhaps it's avoidable and we should be looking at the system that allows them into the country in the first place.
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In theory that sounds great, of course i wouldn't want anyone coming into the country who would do that, but unless you can see into the future, there's no way of knowing whether someone is a wrongun or not. And whether people like it or not, we need immigration to do the shitty jobs that the British born often won't do.
 
bluejon said:
In theory that sounds great, of course i wouldn't want anyone coming into the country who would do that, but unless you can see into the future, there's no way of knowing whether someone is a wrongun or not. And whether people like it or not, we need immigration to do the shitty jobs that the British born often won't do.
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I don't think that is good enough. Surely, for the good of the incumbent population, the government has a duty to protect us? Now I'm not saying that is easy or fair (it's obviously very, very difficult) but the No 1 priority should be protecting us. The current system seems to put the rights of immigrants above the safety of the incumbent people. That cannot be right.
 
Palerider said:
Is the point on immigrants though that we, in theory, have control on who we let and do not let into the country? If a longstanding white Englishman commits a heinous crime then it's our problem and we send them to prison. If a fairly new immigrant commits a heinous crime then perhaps it's avoidable and we should be looking at the system that allows them into the country in the first place.
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As you say, perhaps it's avoidable in some circumstances but if the immigrant comes into the country with a clean record and isn't on any watchlists I'm not sure how you would prevent something from happening before the event? I'm not totally up to speed with the suspect in this case but as of yesterday they were saying he wasn't on any watchlists as far as they knew.
 
@Ban-jani i fear as we discuss this more and more you are conflating what happened here to a full blown terrorist attack.

Im not dishing out the "oh its mental health issue" card, but i can confidently say that this was not a specific islamic terrorist attack.

Yes, there are indicators...what he was shouting, and er...hes probably muslim. But unfortunately, i believe it to just be a psychopathic attack....("just" is the wrong word there, im not downplaying what happened)
 
Palerider said:
I don't think that is good enough. Surely, for the good of the incumbent population, the government has a duty to protect us? Now I'm not saying that is easy or fair (it's obviously very, very difficult) but the No 1 priority should be protecting us. The current system seems to put the rights of immigrants above the safety of the incumbent people. That cannot be right.
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I understand that many people believe this, but it isn't true. I have no idea what news/social media you consume, if any, but this narrative is constantly being drip fed to everyone, primarily as it generates anger, which generates clicks, which generates income for those drip feeding it. Spend a bit of time talking to anyone who deals with immigration/refugees etc and they will quickly put you right.
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
@Ban-jani i fear as we discuss this more and more you are conflating what happened here to a full blown terrorist attack.

Im not dishing out the "oh its mental health issue" card, but i can confidently say that this was not a specific islamic terrorist attack.

Yes, there are indicators...what he was shouting, and er...hes probably muslim. But unfortunately, i believe it to just be a psychopathic attack....("just" is the wrong word there, im not downplaying what happened)
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The choice of weapon suggests not much planning went into it.
 
Ban-jani said:
It can be both mate.
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Of course, i agree...but im pretty confident that this isnt the case here. Im not digging, im just conscious that your debate (totally legitimate opinion btw) is very much focusing on this being "yet another islamic terrorist attack" and its not.

As i think @oldius has said....we need to focus on the crime and not the comparative evidence
 
bluejon said:
I understand that many people believe this, but it isn't true. I have no idea what news/social media you consume, if any, but this narrative is constantly being drip fed to everyone, primarily as it generates anger, which generates clicks, which generates income for those drip feeding it. Spend a bit of time talking to anyone who deals with immigration/refugees etc and they will quickly put you right.
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I can also understand why you believe what you believe but it isn't true is it? Perhaps you need to speak to the victims and the victims families? They would probably put you right.
 
Palerider said:
I can also understand why you believe what you believe but it isn't true is it? Perhaps you need to speak to the victims and the victims families? They would probably put you right.
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You mean the same victims families who have just put out a statement saying they massively respect the contribution immigrants make and they don't want unrest?
 
AlexWilliamsGloves said:
Of course, i agree...but im pretty confident that this isnt the case here. Im not digging, im just conscious that your debate (totally legitimate opinion btw) is very much focusing on this being "yet another islamic terrorist attack" and its not.

As i think @oldius has said....we need to focus on the crime and not the comparative evidence
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Well said mate. Let's wait for the facts to emerge before jumping to conclusions about what his motives may have been.
 
hilts said:
Politicians have never reacted to rioting? Main stories in the news don’t get any traction?
What really gets things moving though is general apathy?
There is a battle going on and if the best the majority can come up with is a gallic shrug then we are gonna lose.
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Ok so burning buses is ok. How do you feel about burning the houses of immigrants?
 
bluejon said:
You mean the same victims families who have just put out a statement saying they massively respect the contribution immigrants make and they don't want unrest?
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That's just being selective and is in no way representative of all victims families. There will be plenty of families asking why the perpetrators were allowed into the country. And they have a good point. That is all I am saying, we need to ensure that anyone allowed into this country is trustworthy and decent. If there is any doubt then instead of letting them in we should keep them out. i.e use the exact same standards we all (presumably) use when letting someone stay the night at our own home.
 
I assume a pogrom against Irish catholics in the Uk would have been acceptable to some on here during the troubles ?
The irony of certain sections of the Irish community protesting about immigration.
 
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