Is Extraterrestrial disclosure taking place?

[Chippy_boy]

I think humans will be long dead by then, there's virtually no chance that we won't see several extinction events over the next few billion years. At the moment we are slowly walking into one of our own making with climate change, overpopulation etc and that's after just 200 years or so of advancing industrialisation.

Basically we are far too stupid and sh*t of a species to work out how to survive beyond our own lifetimes let alone preserve the planet so that others can do the same.

Personally I think the opposite.

I agree with you that we continue to do some really incredibly stupid things. But on the other hand I think our technology has already advanced beyond the point where we could be wiped out by any conceivable eventuality. i.e. I can think of nothing which could conceivably occur which would result in the extinction of the entire human race. (Putting aside cataclysmic meteor impact - I am talking about man-made events.) Even all-out nuclear war, I think we'd inevitably have small numbers of people who would survive. Climate change poses zero threat to the future of the human race. Even if Climate Change were to wipe out all animal life and even all plant life, we'd still find the technology to grow or manufacture artificial carbohydrate, fat and protein. i.e. we would not starve. And that's in the most extreme of outcomes. Much more likely the world will get a little warmer - we are talking 4 or 5C at the very most, before it stablizes in a couple of hundred years. So we can forget extinction due to climate change. That isn't happening.

So we're in this for the long haul; the next million years or so at least I think. Apart from anything else we'll be able to get off this planet pretty soon. I don't know if that's decades away or a century or two but it's certainly within sight.

 

[GOULDYBOBS]

I think humans will be long dead by then, there's virtually no chance that we won't see several extinction events over the next few billion years. At the moment we are slowly walking into one of our own making with climate change, overpopulation etc and that's after just 200 years or so of advancing industrialisation.

Basically we are far too stupid and sh*t of a species to work out how to survive beyond our own lifetimes let alone preserve the planet so that others can do the same.

Agree with it all but it's not stupidity. It's greed

 

[Magicpole]

No. More wishful thinking from people susceptible to believing their hearts desires. The latest revelations and videos prove nothing apart from things are flying, to make the jump to call them ET needs to be examined against the reality of traversing vast, unimaginable, distances. The physics of the observable universe are the same, so travelling has the same restrictions. One fall back is always "they are much more advanced". That's just conjecture and wishful thinking. Why if they want to contact us they don't just clearly do it, without all the hide and seek bull? A bit like the invisible man in the sky, people will convince themselves of anything. They are more than definitely out there, but out there is so vast, we will probably never know for sure.

 

[metalblue]

And why would such a civilization choose our planet when there's another 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (at least) potential candidates out there, the the vast majority of which - statistically - will be much closer to them than we are. Even if only 1 in a million planets is habitable - or even potentially habitable (and that would seem like a very, very small proportion for a race so incredibly advanced that you'd think spot of terra-forming would be like a walk in the park) - then that's two thousand trillion habitable planets to choose from. Why choose ours?

And even more importantly, where are these aliens? Where's the evidence - actual hard evidence - that they have been here? Cave paintings? Do me a favour. "Sightings?" Ditto. There is no evidence. Just hearsay from frankly a bunch of deluded types or liars.

I don’t have the answers mate. I was merely saying that it would be wrong to dismiss our planet as irrelevant to another planetary species looking for a new home. Of course logic dictates you would go to the first suitable planet where the local star(s) had a reasonable life expectancy.

But more over what do you think humans will do when they get interstellar travel? That’s right we’re going to go exploring, kill some shit, bring it back and hang it’s dismembered head or heads on our wall above the fire place.

 

[metalblue]

I think humans will be long dead by then, there's virtually no chance that we won't see several extinction events over the next few billion years. At the moment we are slowly walking into one of our own making with climate change, overpopulation etc and that's after just 200 years or so of advancing industrialisation.

Basically we are far too stupid and sh*t of a species to work out how to survive beyond our own lifetimes let alone preserve the planet so that others can do the same.

Fermi’s Paradox calls it the horizon event

 

[tonea2003]

Personally I think the opposite.

I agree with you that we continue to do some really incredibly stupid things. But on the other hand I think our technology has already advanced beyond the point where we could be wiped out by any conceivable eventuality. i.e. I can think of nothing which could conceivably occur which would result in the extinction of the entire human race. (Putting aside cataclysmic meteor impact - I am talking about man-made events.) Even all-out nuclear war, I think we'd inevitably have small numbers of people who would survive. Climate change poses zero threat to the future of the human race. Even if Climate Change were to wipe out all animal life and even all plant life, we'd still find the technology to grow or manufacture artificial carbohydrate, fat and protein. i.e. we would not starve. And that's in the most extreme of outcomes. Much more likely the world will get a little warmer - we are talking 4 or 5C at the very most, before it stablizes in a couple of hundred years. So we can forget extinction due to climate change. That isn't happening.

So we're in this for the long haul; the next million years or so at least I think. Apart from anything else we'll be able to get off this planet pretty soon. I don't know if that's decades away or a century or two but it's certainly within sight.

even with the proposed solar sails tech travelling vast distances will take generations to reach our nearest possibilities
the possibility is that those that start the journey will likely not finish that journey
interesting thought

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don’t have the answers mate. I was merely saying that it would be wrong to dismiss our planet as irrelevant to another planetary species looking for a new home. Of course logic dictates you would go to the first suitable planet where the local star(s) had a reasonable life expectancy.

But more over what do you think humans will do when they get interstellar travel? That’s right we’re going to go exploring, kill some shit, bring it back and hang it’s dismembered head or heads on our wall above the fire place.

I'm not sure we ever will, and I don't mean that we might kill ourselves before we develop the technology. Merely that it may be that some thing may actually be impossible, irrespective of how advanced your technology is. It's quite possible that no aliens have ever visited us because it's impossible for any civilization no matter how advanced, to actually do it.

Of course certain "hops" are more achievable than others, so it's much more likely we will manage to reach say our nearest star Proxima Centauri at only 4 light year away, compared to another star which might be thousands or even millions of light years away. But, interesting fact, it would take Voyager 1 - were it pointed in the right direction - about 300,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri!

 

[Chippy_boy]

even with the proposed solar sails tech travelling vast distances will take generations to reach our nearest possibilities
the possibility is that those that start the journey will likely not finish that journey
interesting thought

I meant we might manage to establish a sustainable base on Mars, for example.

 

[metalblue]

I'm not sure we ever will, and I don't mean that we might kill ourselves before we develop the technology. Merely that it may be that some thing may actually be impossible, irrespective of how advanced your technology is. It's quite possible that no aliens have ever visited us because it's impossible for any civilization no matter how advanced, to actually do it.

Of course certain "hops" are more achievable than others, so it's much more likely we will manage to reach say our nearest star Proxima Centauri at only 4 light year away, compared to another star which might be thousands or even millions of light years away. But, interesting fact, it would take Voyager 1 - were it pointed in the right direction - about 300,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri!

The hops is probably the most likely approach, we could colonise the galaxy with our existing technology (albeit in a very long time) - I think it was another of the questions posed by the Femi Paradox, as in given a 1bn+ year head start and similar evolution why hasn’t it (colonisation) already occurred from other potential civilisations.

 

[tonea2003]

I meant we might manage to establish a sustainable base on Mars, for example.

can see that happening, but not for living as we know it, research purposes most likely, i would of thought

or are you thinking along the lines of a total recall type scenario? or am i going too sc-fi here