Is it time to panic yet?

[Dax777]

April 2015 United 4-2
Sept 2015 Spurs 5-1
November 2015 Liverpool 4-1
February 2016 Chelsea 5-1
May 2016 SOUTHAMPTON 4-2

That's off the top of my head, there may be more.

Your memory is very bad.

So Southampton 4-2 is the only none top team to beat us under Pelegrini then, yes?

 

[Dax777]

I've already pulled him up on that. Couple of posts back. ;)

It was a question, but it would be foolish to compare getting beat 4-0 by Everton to any of the above. 4-2 dames suggests 2 teams scoring a lot with one being better. It's like 3-1 or 2-0.

4-0 on the other hand suggests something slightly different in the mind.

 

[Dax777]

Pelegrini also inherited 5 players at there peak in vinny, yaya, silva zab and Aguero, those same players aren't delivering for a number of reasons but it has its impact...

Pep is having to replenish a squad which should of been done progressively over the last 3 years.... I'd rather have a long term impact than an initial one, something that is continuously overlooked!

I am not suggesting the conditions are not different. Just saying it's a bit disingenuous pretending PWP doesn't have his players.

He has lots of good players, even if lots of them are not as good as they used to be. Pelegrini also had his core of non-producing players.

Funny though, he was blamed for their failure to perfom. All I'm saying is that we should use the same standard. This very same underperforming players were clicking well early in the season and we all credited Pep.

So why are we pointing at others now that they are not playing so well?

The buck should stop with Pep. Whether you are looking long-term or short-term. Pep should be who we look to.

I reckon he'd have us doing great things in 2 years, but he is not excused from trying to make Champions League now. Many seem to think this is acceptable. I find that quite strange.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

I am not suggesting the conditions are not different. Just saying it's a bit disingenuous pretending PWP doesn't have his players.

He has lots of good players, even if lots of them are not as good as they used to be. Pelegrini also had his core of non-producing players.

Funny though, he was blamed for their failure to perfom. All I'm saying is that we should use the same standard. This very same underperforming players were clicking well early in the season and we all credited Pep.

So why are we pointing at others now that they are not playing so well?

The buck should stop with Pep. Whether you are looking long-term or short-term. Pep should be who we look to.

I reckon he'd have us doing great things in 2 years, but he is not excused from trying to make Champions League now. Many seem to think this is acceptable. I find that quite strange.

It has nothing to do with them failing to perform but doing so in a system that is geared towards conditioning... Those players have seen a downturn due to age, not ability. I mentioned this the other day but Pep has missed a trick not blooding a good few of the younger lads, most supporters would of taken a transition year if it meant legitimate excuses could be placed on a variation of results, however, the old faithful are getting there swansong 2 years too late!

 

[BigOscar]

Why would it ever be time to panic, when is panicking ever a good idea?

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

Why would it ever be time to panic, when is panicking ever a good idea?

Are you saying what I think you're saying?

Don't panic Mr Mainwairing!!!


;)

 

[Cruiser Blue]

1st thing i will say. I want Pep to succeed and i want us to be playing his type of football. BUT there are huge problems in this. 1 problem we definately do not have the defence and goalkeeper to play his way in the premier league, his keeper he brought in was good enough in the spanish league where there is more time to think about things. In my opinion we definately have enough attacking players at the club and should be able to adapt in that sense. So should not be looking down that route for transfers. We have won titles with less.
In most circumstances you wouldnt see this as a problem and would not panic because most managers would adapt the way they are playing even if only temporary until we have the right players in. Pep is not willing to adapt the way we are playing. IE goalkeeper under pressure plays it to our player in our corner flag who is also under pressure and its like a boiling pot its gonna crack with the players we have and i find im now cringing during games waiting for it to happen. If people were honest when we are that far back they must be cringing to.

So to sum things up i havnt got a clue how pep is going to get us going. But i am worried ALOT because i cant see an answer

 

[casualdeyna]

So Southampton 4-2 is the only none top team to beat us under Pelegrini then, yes?

I also remember some real turgid defeats under Pellegrini where we never even turned up, Burnley and Stoke are two off the top of my head, but there were loads more defeats where I just got more and more annoyed the longer the game went on because we just didn't look interested. I don't want to argue mate I just think you are looking through some real tinted glasses if you think we were any better under Pellegrini, especially last season, than we are now.

Anyway, regardless of who is at fault I, like many fellow blues, am frustrated that from 2012 we haven't really kicked on as we probably should have done. The squad is aging now and needs some replacements but I feel between 2012 and 2015 we had the best team in the league and we just haven't gone forwards. Too many average signings and too much paid for them. Pep now inherits a squad that increasingly looks lacking in key areas, due to age, injuries or whatever, whereas rivals have strengthened.

I read it was our strategy was to allow the squad to "age" to not hamper the chances of the youth coming through, if that is the case where is that youth? Getting 4 put past you at Goodison or King Power is less of an issue if half the team are kids as we know we benefit long term. Also if in 3 years time we are to have a team where half of them come through the youth they really need to be getting game time now, so why play such a strong team at West Ham in the cup?

I'm not panicking btw as Pep is a proven class manager and you don't become useless overnight. I just think the job is more difficult than anyone expected because we, as a club, have kinda been in limbo for three years, waiting for Pep to join, and not making the right signings (save Sterling and De Bruyne last year) in the meantime. We've been waiting around for a manager for three years when others have been amassing teams and squads that are ready now, not for the future, so we find ourselves now behind our rivals squads imho.

So it will take time, you could argue Pep is actually doing a good job with what we have in comparison to be only 3 points off second. We will sort out the fullbacks, get more cover in the middle of the park, and Jesus is here now too! I just think we have been stationary too long, and as the saying goes in football if you stand still you go backwards.

So I will save judgement until the end of Pep's reign not the start, and if anyone is to blame for us getting hammered at times this season I lay more blame on whoever at the club decided to plod along over the last three years rather than taking us out of sight of our rivals. I also don't blame FFP either when we spend so much on players we loan out 12 months later.

 

[Dax777]

I also remember some real turgid defeats under Pellegrini where we never even turned up, Burnley and Stoke are two off the top of my head, but there were loads more defeats where I just got more and more annoyed the longer the game went on because we just didn't look interested. I don't want to argue mate I just think you are looking through some real tinted glasses if you think we were any better under Pellegrini, especially last season, than we are now.

Anyway, regardless of who is at fault I, like many fellow blues, am frustrated that from 2012 we haven't really kicked on as we probably should have done. The squad is aging now and needs some replacements but I feel between 2012 and 2015 we had the best team in the league and we just haven't gone forwards. Too many average signings and too much paid for them. Pep now inherits a squad that increasingly looks lacking in key areas, due to age, injuries or whatever, whereas rivals have strengthened.

I read it was our strategy was to allow the squad to "age" to not hamper the chances of the youth coming through, if that is the case where is that youth? Getting 4 put past you at Goodison or King Power is less of an issue if half the team are kids as we know we benefit long term. Also if in 3 years time we are to have a team where half of them come through the youth they really need to be getting game time now, so why play such a strong team at West Ham in the cup?

I'm not panicking btw as Pep is a proven class manager and you don't become useless overnight. I just think the job is more difficult than anyone expected because we, as a club, have kinda been in limbo for three years, waiting for Pep to join, and not making the right signings (save Sterling and De Bruyne last year) in the meantime. We've been waiting around for a manager for three years when others have been amassing teams and squads that are ready now, not for the future, so we find ourselves now behind our rivals squads imho.

So it will take time, you could argue Pep is actually doing a good job with what we have in comparison to be only 3 points off second. We will sort out the fullbacks, get more cover in the middle of the park, and Jesus is here now too! I just think we have been stationary too long, and as the saying goes in football if you stand still you go backwards.

So I will save judgement until the end of Pep's reign not the start, and if anyone is to blame for us getting hammered at times this season I lay more blame on whoever at the club decided to plod along over the last three years rather than taking us out of sight of our rivals. I also don't blame FFP either when we spend so much on players we loan out 12 months later.

1. I never said we were better under Pelegrini. Simply saying the standard for judging who's underperforming has changed drastically. And I find that disconcerting...

Thus, if Pellars was at fault for our turgid play last year, then Pep is at fault for it this year. I don't think Pep is useless either, but don't think he has done well so far.

I'm simply saying I expect better and hope for improvement. Right now I see a regression. There was an early adoption of Pep's Philosophies then it began to break down.

Early ball pressure vhave become fewer and often starts in the 2nd half.

Ball movement have slowed down drastically.

And chance creation has been lower of late, while conversion have stayed at it's historically low levels.

Am talking since the season started here. So it's not a bad players issue. They've performed better already this season, but aren't right now.

 

[kaz7]

I must admit I was half hoping that when Pep was interviewed he'd admit it isn't working and that he was going to walk.

I can't see things getting any better with these players playing this tixi taki system. I don't trust Txiki to rebuild this team which has aged under his watch so yes its very much time to panic.

The rebuild needs to start with the DoF and the manager. People can bury their heads but it's clearly not working. This wasn't a one off. What's Mancini doing these days?

Now i see you are on the WUM